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Maybe a possible death, bearing shipyard work in mind:
Joseph Wilton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joseph Wilton
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1886
Registration Date: Oct 1947[Nov 1947] [Dec 1947]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: St Helens
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10f
Page: 402
or maybe this :
Joseph Wilton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joseph Wilton
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1886
Registration Date: Jan 1966[Feb 1966] [Mar 1966]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 871
Age stated at death depends on how accurate the informant's information is.
These are the only feasible deaths I can see in England, Scotland, or Wales.
There are no likely emigration records.
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BUT -
This may be the St Helen's man in 1939 - in which case the stated DOB isn't anything like one in Oct-Dec 1887 - and this couple married in 1909, so NOT your Joseph:
Joseph Wilton
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joseph Wilton
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1886
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 11
Residence Place: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Wire Maker Press Operator Heavy Work Hydraulic
Line Number: 17
Schedule Number: 5
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Nona
Borough: St Helens
Registration district: 456a/2.
Inferred Spouse:
Jane Wilton
Inferred Children:
Alfred Wilton
Mary Wilton
Household Members (Name) Age
Joseph Wilton 53
Jane Wilton 53
This record is officially closed.
Alfred Wilton 14
Mary Wilton 10
Births Dec 1925 (>99%)
Wilton Alfred Owen Prescot 8b 1298
Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Wilton Mary Owen Prescot 8b 1322
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
OWEN Jane Prescot 8b 975
WILTON Joseph Prescot 8b 975
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Wonderful work.
So to recap… Mary Ellen does seem to be in Dunfermline until 1940,
perhaps in 1935 she rents a house and the shop. ?
Joseph appears in Dunfermline until 1925.
The marriage for the target couple was Preston, not Prescott as per the couple in St Helens in 1939.
So Joseph did survive the ww1, but I’m wondering how to equate with the family stories. Maybe he was dealing with Shell Shock or other trauma ( wild guess) and did end up in an asylum. If true, it had to be accessible to his sister Annie who lived in Manchester in 1939., for her visits (don’t know what year .. and Annie was not averse to telling untruths) (As Callaghan … she gave her birth as 1892 on 1939 which was way out ).
At least no one finds him going to Canada where his sisters were, so that avenue is closed.
This is a big help thanks as it’s beginning to fit the family stories.Annie’s kids were put on a bus to go to Scotland to visit and aunt and uncle. ,!!!!
I will try to find out more…
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As the relative born 1938 remembers Annie going to visit Joseph, that must have been at least 1943-ish or later
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Probably. It turns out that the bus journey was around 1952/3 to Sanquhar, Dumfriesshire and the uncle was not the lost Joseph, but his nephew, also a WILTON, b. 1916, noted here lest it confuses the issue.
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Port of Quebec ships manifest …
Date 1.10.1923 S S Montlaurier
Joseph Wilton
Pob Lancashire England, race English, nationality Scotland.
Last permanent residences Dunfermline, Scotland
Nearest relative in country whence last came,
wife: mrs. Mary Wilton, 99 golfdrum street, Dunfermline
Ever in u.s. from. No
Paid by self
Destination name and address relative or friend to join there
Cleveland Ohio, Frd. (Friend?) Jas. Myers’s Cough ,
4901 Kerman avenue, Cleveland, Ohio
Money? Shown? no - 45
Ever arrested or deported or excluded from admission No
Purpose in coming and time remaining Perm
Head tax status 48126
Height 5 ft.5 in.
Complexion Fr.
hair Br.
Eyes Grey
Distinguishing marks None
(Joseph was baptised 6.3.1888)
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Seeking James Myers Cough …
???
1881 Gloucester st. Mary de Lode, Clare street
James myers cough age 27 Birth estimate 1854
Birth place Strood, Kent
Married, a Tailor, Lodger
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Good find - re 1923 travel record.
As Joseph was still on the Valuation Roll in 1925, I hadn't looked very closely at any travel before then.
???
James Myerscough
in the Ohio, U.S., Naturalization Petition and Record Books, 1888-1946
Name: James Myerscough
Record Type: Naturalization
Departure Date: 30 Apr 1922
Departure Place: Sourthampton, England
Arrival Place: New York
Petition Date: 1927
Petition Place: Ohio, USA
Ship: Caronia
Spouse: Helen
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Born 5 April 1874, Barrow-in-Furness..
Occupation: janitor.
Wife, Helen, born 25 March 1883, in Scotland.
Son, Robert, born 18 April 1914, England. [ But he was born in Scotland - see at end of this post ]
Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Hogg Helen A Myerscough Chorlton 8c 1909
Myerscough James Hogg Chorlton 8c 1909
On the travel record below, James 48, Helen 40, and Robert 5, are all scored out, so obviously didn't travel that time, but went on the "Caronia" later that month:
Helen Myerscough
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Helen Myerscough
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Marital status: Married
Age: 40
Birth Date: abt 1882
Birth Place: Scotland
Other Birth Place: Stirling
Last Known Residence: Rosyth, Scotland
Departure Port: Glasgow, Scotland
Arrival Date: 12 Apr 1922
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Final Destination: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Years in US: Permanently
Citizenship Intention: Yes
Height: 5 Feet, 7 Inches
Hair Colour: Brown
Eye Colour: Brown
Complexion: Fresh
Identifying Marks: Tattoo on Left Arm
Person in Old Country: Robert Hogg
Person in Old Country Relationship: Father-In-Law
Person in Old Country Residence: Robella Cottage, Carnoch, DUNFERMLINE.
Person in US: James Dogherty
Person in US Relationship: Friend
Ship Name: Algeria
Helen Myerscough
in the Ohio, U.S., Naturalization Petition and Record Books, 1888-1946
Name: Helen Myerscough
Record Type: Naturalization
Departure Date: 1 May 1922
Departure Place: Southampton, Englnd
Arrival Place: New York
Marriage Date: 24 Jul 1915
Petition Date: 1929
Petition Place: Ohio, USA
Ship: Caronia
Spouse: James
Court: Northern District, Eastern Division
Son Robert's birth:
MYERSCOUGH
ROBERT W A
mmn HOGG
M
1917
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Dunfermline
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Brilliant. I was beginning to doubt the premise that 1901 Joseph and Annie are the same persons, but this is beginning to make so much sense.
Chorlton is where his sister Annie Wilton (granny Annie) was 1916 Chorlton where she gave birth, and again Manchester in 1912 where she gave birth.
1939 she is found at 21 Albert avenue Manchester, as Callaghan.
All the rest of the family are either at Chorlton on Medlock or Manchester through this time.
With your help this is getting solved.
If a homeward journey was found …
Question… James is the one with the tattoo? so they must know each other from either Chorlton area or Dunfermline,
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To add to that 1922 voyage where their names are scored out -
they were going to a friend:
James Docherty, 1012 Gillane Street, Lawndale, Philadelphia.
The tattoo info is confusing, as the details are partly on James's line, and partly on Helen's.
However, comparing the positioning of words against other names on the same page:
James: Fresh complexion, brown hair, grey eyes. Tattoo on left arm.
Helen: Fresh complexion, brown hair, brown eyes. Tattoo on left arm.
Robert: Fresh complexion, fair hair, blue eyes. No marks of identification.
Yes , they could have known each other in either Chorlton or Dunfermline.
ADDED:
??? On Valuation Roll:
MYERSCOUGH
J
Tenant/Occupier
HOUSE 25 BACKMARCH ROAD
DUNFERMLINE
1920
VR002600039-
Helen Hogg
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Helen Hogg
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Robert Hogg
Mother's Name: Isabella Hogg
Gender: Female
Where born: Slamannan, Stirling Shire
Registration Number: 414
Registration district: Carnock <<<<<<<<<<
Civil parish: Carnock
County: Fife
Address: Oakley Rows
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1891_125
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Hogg 31 Head
Isabella Hogg 35 Wife
Helen Hogg 11 Daur (Daughter)
William Hogg 7 Son
Isabella Hogg 5 Daur (Daughter)
Mary Hogg 1 Daur (Daughter)
Helen's not with her parents in 1901.
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