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Looking for info on James Doolan.

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Malcolm

Malcolm Report 3 Jan 2018 22:25

Hi.
I am looking for any information on my great grandfather James Doolan born approx 1875 -1880 who was in the Irish free state in 1940 and in the army.
I know of two daughters:
Mary Elizabeth Doolan born 1899 and married Charles Wallin in Gosport Hants UK in 1920.
Dorothy Helen Doolan born 1915 who married George Nicholls in Quetta India in 1940.

I have contacted the Irish Military Archives Cathal Barracks Dublin, but they have several James Doolan and require further information.

Regards
Malcolm.

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 3 Jan 2018 22:36

Malcolm...Have you any idea where James or the children were born..?

When you say he was in the Irish Free State 1940 and in the Army...do you mean he was living in the Republic and /or was in the Free State Army...

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jan 2018 06:13

When was he is the army , cant have been in 1940 as he would be too old

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jan 2018 08:30

Reference...

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1920 (>99%)
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Doolan Mary E Wallin Alverstoke 2b 1427
Wallin Charles J Doclan Alverstoke 2b 1427


(mentioned in snippet below!)

27 May 1932 - Portsmouth Evening News - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

ANOTHER BUS GRUMBLE
MARY E. WALLIN. 1, Goodwood Place, Marmion Road, Southsea.


Edits (from google search, below)

http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic808-0-asc-30.html

Name: WALLIN, CHARLES E.
Initials: C E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Transylvania.
Age: 43
Date of Death: 10/08/1940
Service No: P/J 16272
Additional information: Son of Samuel James Wallin and Maria Wallin; husband of Mary Elizabeth Wallin, of North End, Portsmouth.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. P. Joint grave 78.
Cemetery: GIRVAN (DOUNE) CEMETERY

safc

safc Report 4 Jan 2018 08:39

????


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
32, Regent Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Michael Doolan Head Married Male 51 1850 Dock Labourer Ireland
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Bridget Doolan Wife Married Female 55 1846 - Ireland
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Catherine Doolan Daughter Single Female 24 1877 School Teacher Ireland
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Patrick Doolan Son Single Male 21 1880 Printer Lithograph Ireland
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Thomas Doolan Son Single Male 19 1882 General Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Marion Doolan Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Drapers Assistant Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Bridget Doolan Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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James Doolan Son Single Male 23 1878 Sailor Ireland
Transcription xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mary Jane Doolan Son's Wife Married Female 21 1880 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Mary Doolan Son's Doughter Single Female 0 1901 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
John Coroley Boarder Single Male 50 1851 Striker In Foundry Isle of Man, Isle of Man

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Jan 2018 08:40

1939
Winchester (Wallin) Household (3 People) 46 Woodford Crescent , Ruislip-Northwood U.D., Middlesex, England

Mary E Winchester (Wallin) 02 May 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Stanley C Wallin 19 Jul 1922 Male Junior Salesman Single
Charles E Wallin 20 Jun 1897 Male General Post Office London Married
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Charles died 1940

Possible death for Mary:

First name(s) MARY E
Last name WINCHESTER
Gender Female
Birth year 1902
Age 54
Death quarter 4
Death year 1956
District Portsmouth
County Hampshire
Volume 6B Page 545

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jan 2018 08:48

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
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First name(s) Dorothy
Last name Doolan
Gender Female
Age 25
Birth year 1914
Occupation CHILD NURSE
Departure year 1939
Departure day 19
Departure month 8
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Karachi
Destination KARACHI
Country Pakistan
Destination country Pakistan
Ship name Circassia
Ship official number 165916
Ship master's first name WM
Ship master's last name GEMMELL
Shipping line ANCHOR
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port BOMBAY
Ship destination country INDIA
Ship registered tonnage 6596
Number of passengers 125
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England

Home address Link or Sink bungalow Hunstanton ( writing is a bit ??? On the name of the bungalow)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jan 2018 08:51

So married following year

Dorothy H M
Last name Doolan
Marriage year 1940
Marriage place Quetta
Country India
Spouse's first name(s) -
Spouse's last name -Nicholls
Page 188
Line number 56
Record source GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)
Record set British Nationals Armed Forces Marriages 1796-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
©

So he was an army guy

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jan 2018 08:57


???

Marriages Mar 1899
Beech Mary Jane Liverpool 8b 228
Doolan James Liverpool 8b 228

So don't think that 1901 census is the rights james as this is the daughter with the mmn

DOOLAN, MARY CATHERINE BEECH
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 33 Order

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 4 Jan 2018 16:01

Thank you for all your replies and information, and advice from Cynthia.

My problem is I only have what was on my grandmother marriage cert as her father is in the army, I have always assumed that this was in the Irish free state, as Dorothys marriage cert states that she is from the IFS.

Marys marriage to Charles Wallin cert dated 6th Nov 1920 states father James doolan is a labourer. her address is listed as 140 Clayhall road Alverstoke Gosport Hants.

Dorothys marriage cert dated 19th March 1940 states father is a soldier.
Marys second marriage to George Herbert Winchester dated 5th Aug 1944 states father is a soldier.her address is listed as 48 Angerstein rd North End Portsmouth Hants.

It is possible James Doolan was in the British army.
My grand mother Mary Elizabeth Doolan was born in 1898 so I have only gone back approx 20 years for my great grandfathers possible age.
Grandmother Mary died young in 1955.

The memories from my own parents is that she was Irish.

Regards
Malcolm.



AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Jan 2018 16:33

Hello Malcolm,

How do you know Mary was born in 1898? The 1939 register, and her death in 1956, suggest her birth was in 1902.

How do you know Dorothy was Mary's sister. Where/ when did Dorothy die?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jan 2018 16:54

Doolan James Herbert 1901 — 1919 British Royal Air Force, Airmen's Service Records 1912-1939 Wiltshire (Find My Past)

(notes above has James Doolan, Father, 459, Commercial Road, Portsmouth)

(Birth 1/4/1901 (Town) West Tutherly (Parish) Pimlick (County) Salsbury)


(if below)

Birth
DOLAN, JAMES HERBERT (BOWLES)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 119


Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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BOWLES Elizabeth Esther Dorchester 5a 567
Doolan James Dorchester 5a 567

Chris :)

09 September 1932 - Hampshire Telegraph - Portsmouth, Hampshire,

GOSPORT DRIVER FlNED.
James Herbert Doolan, Exmouth Road,. Elson, Gosport, was summoned for driving a motor-coach at more than 90 miles per hour at Bentley...


Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
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Ash Adelaide E Doolan Alverstoke 2b 1553
Doolan James H Ash Alverstoke 2b 1553


1939 Register (Find My Past)

14 Compton Road , Halesowen M.B., Worcestershire,
James H Doolan 01 Apr 1901 Male Chief Inspector-Aluminium Rolling Mill Married Adelaide (Elsie) Ellis (Doolan) 14 Jan 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


(no idea if below relating, from google search)

(MARRIAGES
PORTSEA, PORTSMOUTH & SOUTHSEA)

https://tinyurl.com/ccw7bw

page 47 no 94 Apr 6 1923 Walter Ernest SMITH 25 bachelor Able seaman RN HMS Durham & Dora DOOLAN 23 spinster 45 Spring St married after banns bith signed fathers John Robert SMITH J? & James DOLAN Army pensioner in the presence of James DOOLAN & John William DOWSETT


Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Doolan Dora Smith Portsmouth 2b 927
Smith Walter E Doolan Portsmouth 2b 927

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 4 Jan 2018 16:56

Hi Austin Q

On her marriage cert to charles Wallin on 6th Nov 1920 cert states she is 21. DOB would be 1898/99

On her marriage cert to George Winchester on 13th Dec 1956 cert states she is 54 , DOB would be 1898/99

On her death cert dated 13th Dec 1956 her age is 54. DOB would be 1902.
As I cannot find her birth cert, it could be either dates.

I have a number of photos of Dorothy in Quatta India were she married George Nicholls who was a sergeant in the Royal Signals.

I have always thought of Dorothy as Marys sister, they do share the same James Doolan on their marriage certificates and he is stated as a soldier on both certs.

Regards
Malcolm

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Jan 2018 17:07

Are you aware of any children of Dorothy and George R Nicholls? There is a possible daughter, Fiona, born in 1943 Quetta.

It's possible that Fiona married in the UK.
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Chris- a motor-coach at 90mph in 1932.... that's going some!

I think this is the James in the article-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gosport Road Fareham, Fareham, Hampshire, England

James Dolan Head Married Male Army Pensioner 62 1849 Portarlington Ireland Queens County
Elizabeth Esther Dolan Wife Married Female Domestic Duties 45 1866 Cerne Abbas Dorset
Dora Dolan Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Southampton Hants
James Herbert Dolan Son - Male School 10 1901 West Tytherley Salisbury
Elizabeth Esther Mary Dolan Daughter - Female - 9 1902 Red Hill Bournemouth
Herbert Barter Boarder Single Male Basket Maker 46 1865 Glastonbury Somerset
Jessie Carpenter Boarder Single Female - 32 1879 Wells Somerset
John Douglas Tedcastle Harper Nurse Child - Male - 3 1908 London
Harry Carpenter - - Male - 0 1911 Gosport Road Fareham
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Birth
DOLAN, ELIZABETH ESTHER MARY (mother's maiden name: BOWLES)
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in CHRISTCHURCH Volume 02B Page 667
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Marriage of Parents (James listed as DOOLAN):

name(s) ELIZABETH ESTHER BOWLES
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1888
Spouse: James Doolan
District Dorchester
County Dorset
Volume 5A Page number 567

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 4 Jan 2018 17:08

Hi Chris.

I live in Portsmouth will check out the address at Commercial road in the local library, but if my great grandfather lived in portsmouth I think I would of known. !!! .

Regards
Malcolm

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Jan 2018 17:08

(lol, see Dora Dolan Marriage info., I just added above)

Chris :)

safc

safc Report 4 Jan 2018 17:11

????

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
DOLLIN Dorothy E M Sapeford Farnham 2a 232

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 4 Jan 2018 17:26

Hi Chris.

The name is Doolan and not Dolan.

Thank you.

Malcolm.

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Jan 2018 17:32

I'm pretty sure that James would be in the British Army. Unfortunately not all Army documents survive.

Although very much a Naval town now, there were Army barracks a plenty in the Gosport / Alverstoke areas.

Perhaps that's where/how Dorothy met her husband and followed him out to India.

Malcolm

Malcolm Report 4 Jan 2018 17:34

Hi Austin Q

Dorothy may have had a daughter called Susan and relocated to ESHER after the war.
This is hear say, problem is both my parents and grandparents have passed away years ago and the Doolans were never talked about.

Regards
Malcolm.