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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 25 Feb 2018 18:50

"So is that james son and the mother is Mcintyre"

That might be James son, but there don't appear to be any other Wood/McIntyre children. Something weird is going on here!

Carol

Carol Report 25 Feb 2018 18:50

I am getting so excited thank you so much.

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 25 Feb 2018 19:12

Forget George Edward Charles Wood - here he is on the 1911 census

George Edward Charles Wood
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Boarder/Pupil
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Charlton, Kent
Civil Parish: Cheltenham
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Newick House, Upr Bath Rd, Bath Road, Cheltenham
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Cheltenham
Registration District Number: 333
Sub-registration district: Cheltenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Household schedule number: 429
Piece: 15558

It appears to be a Boarding School.

Even if he were entered on the census in 2 different places (it does happen!) its not likely he'd be both a boarding school pupil and a Labourer

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Feb 2018 19:18

(to go with James Burial above)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

8 Baldwyn's Road , Dartford M.B., Kent,
Anne Wood 27 Sep 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Dut Widowed


Edits (also at above address, below couple, wasn't this Surname on other 'Thread' somewhere?)

Marriages Jun 1935 (>99%)
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Garrod Horace Shuter Dartford 2a 2234
Shuter Beatrice W M Garrod Dartford 2a 2234


(From 1939. Horace 14/8/11 Beatrice W. 30/1/1908)

Birth
GARRARD, HORACE (PAGE)
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 1286


(was below)

Dea Report 29 Oct 2016 12:36

Where have you got the name Alice Garrod from Carol ?

Dea x

Carol Report 29 Oct 2016 12:44

It came out with a family member. She said gran was garrod I did not know that.I am illegitimate and have just found out some ancestors.I did find the name Alice garrod 1907 Dartford and the name wood the same year.So when my family said the name .I was garrod it put a spanner in the works .I cannot find anything about Alice Garrod.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 21:42

???

GARROD, ALICE mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 588

However, I don't see a likely marriage of her parents, nor do I see her definitely in 1911.


[ EDIT:
Yes, she's Alice Wood in 1911. ]

A tree on Ancestry says her parents were James Garrod, and Annie Page.
It doesn't have any details of either of them, except that Annie was born in Ipswich (no date).

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 21:48

Did James change his name for some reason ???

(Birthplace is Bramford, per 1911 on Ancestry.)

James Garrod
in the 1881 England Census
Name: James Garrod
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Harriett Garrod
Gender: Male
Where born: Bramford, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich St Mathew
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: 52 Handford Cut
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Bricklayers Labourer
Registration district: Ipswich
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1868
Folio: 84
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriett Garrod 52
Henry Garrod 17
James Garrod 15
Thos. Grey 17
Annie H. Garrod 13
Ellen Garrod 10

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 21:56

Birth of the daughter Harriet ???

GARRETT, HARRIET LILY mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 611

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 21:58

Daughter Millie (transcribed as Willie in 1911) -

GARRAD, MILLIE mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 613

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 25 Feb 2018 22:01

(looks about right there AG, will leave you with below (same address as 1911, and James Wood Burial)

Chris :)

Burial
County Kent
Place Bexley
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 567
Burial date 22 Oct 1945
Person age 79
Burial person forename Annie
Burial person surname GARRAD
Burial person abode 8 Baldwyns Road, Bexley

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 22:31

The family in 1901 ??


James Garrard
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Garrard
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Anne Garrard
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Eynsford
Ecclesiastical parish: Crockenhill All Souls
Town: Crockenhill
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Dartford
Sub-registration district: Farningham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 709
Folio: 61
Page Number: 8
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Garrard 35 - scaffolder / builders labourer
Anne Garrard 34
James Garrard 9
George Garrard 7
Elizabeth Garrard



GARRARD, ELIZABETH mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1262

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Feb 2018 22:45

Annie Page's birth ??:

PAGE, ANNIE MAY mms WEBBER
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 644

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 07:37

So could be below...

Chris :)

1871 (Find My Past)
Hobart Garrard Head - Male 38 1833 - Suffolk, England (Carpenter)
Harriett Garrard Wife - Female 42 1829 - Essex, England
Hobart Garrard Son - Male 18 1853 - Suffolk, England
Alice Garrard Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Suffolk, England
Robert Garrard Son - Male 8 1863 - Suffolk, England
James Garrard Son - Male 4 1867 - Suffolk (Bramford), England
Horace Garrard Son - Male 6 1865 - Suffolk, England
Harriet Garrard Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Suffolk, England


Birth
GARROD, HORACE (HAYWARD)
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 591

(also for James 1867, Hayward)


Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
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Garrard Hobart Ipswich 4a 1300
Hayward Harriet Ipswich 4a 1300


(notes below also)

Birth
GARRARD, HOBART (PAGE)
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 616


Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------
GARRARD Hobart 0 Dartford 2a 366

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:01

If Birth posted...

Chris :)

Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Annie May
Last name Page
Birth year 1865
Baptism year 1865
Baptism date 26 Mar 1865
Parish Ipswich, St Margaret
Place Ipswich
Father's first name(s) William
Mothers first name(s) Annie
Father's occupation Ostler
Residence Ipswich
Notes Navarre St


1871 (Find My Past)
William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England (Ostler)
Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England
Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England
Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England
Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk (Ipswich) England
Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England
Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Dea

Dea Report 26 Feb 2018 08:11

Well, the address is right but Annie Snr. appears to be 'Emma' !!


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Navarre Street, St Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Page Head - Male 40 1831 - Suffolk, England - Ostler
Transcription
Emma Page Wife - Female 41 1830 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Gertrude Page Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Emma Page Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
**Annie Page Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Suffolk, England
Transcription
Minnie Page Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Suffolk, England



Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
LOCKWOOD Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view
PAGE William Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view**
Ralph Charles Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view
WEBBER Emma Ipswich 4a 736 Scan available - click to view**

Dea x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 08:16

No, that can't be the right Annie.


Annie M. Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie M. Page
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Dedham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Princel Green
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Domestic Serv Out Of Place
Registration district: Lexden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1800
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Page 24
Annie M. Page


Annie M Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie M Page
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Pangbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Pangbourne St James
Town: Large
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bradfield
Sub-registration district: Tilehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1142
Folio: 124
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kent 45
Ruth Kent 41
Ruth Wigmore 14
Annie M Page 37

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:22

(lol, thought she was too easy to find!!)

Chris :)

(and probably no help, but Bramford was also given 1911 for her Birthplace)

Where is James 1891?...(as below)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Wood Head Married Male 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England General Labourer
Ann Wood Wife Married Female 28 1863 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Nellie Wood Daughter - Female 0 1891 (7mo?) North Woolwich, Kent, England
Albert Road, Woolwich, London & Kent,


(1891 Census taken, 5th April)

(if below?)

Birth
PAGE, NELLIE -
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1104

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 26 Feb 2018 08:52

(oh dear, and haven't got time to search further, but below, lol)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 151
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date Aug 1911
Person forename Horace
Person sex M
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie


Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 149
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date Jun 1904
Person forename Millie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie


Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 150
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 1907
Person forename Alice
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father forename James
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Annie

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Edits (just noticed below, same date/address as above?)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 152
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 26 Sep 1913
Person forename Maude Annie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------
Wood Maud A Wood Dartford 2a 1173

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 09:05

GARRARD, HORACE mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 1286


So, for some reason, the family are sometimes calling themselves Wood, and sometimes Garrard/Garrod/other variation.

I still can't see any marriage between James and Annie, under either name.

Unless James was using yet another surname at the time!
Or Annie had been married before.
Maybe she was still married, and never married James.

I keep being drawn to this one (probably a red herring) - but can't find any of these people in 1891, to see which woman married which man:

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
DIGGORY William Woolwich 1d 1643
FORBES James Woolwich 1d 1643
Page Annie Woolwich 1d 1643
WORSLEY Maria Woolwich 1d 1643

Carol

Carol Report 26 Feb 2018 11:14

I wonder if they were not married and annie was Garrad ,Garrod or Garrard and James was wood that is why they changed names.either one of them might of been married before.Thank you so much for your help.Past catching up on them I think. something fishy.Thank you so much all of you I was surprized once again.You are all ace.The family are going to be more confused now .lol xx

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 11:58

Annie wasn't Garrod (or similar).

James was Garrod in 1881 and Garrard in 1871 (both censuses posted above).
Chris has also given his parents' details - Hobart and Harriet.

Annie's ms is given as Page in all the children's birth records we've found, so it seems certain that was her ms.