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(might relate to address below)

Chris :)

20 May 1880 - East Anglian Daily Times - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

Samuel Page, fowl dealer, of 36, Mount Street. Ipswich...


31 July 1906 - Evening Star - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

William Page, dealer. Mount Street, Ipswich, was charged with stealing copper...


Edits (no, perhaps not, looks like below family for them)

1881 (Find My Past)
Samuel Page Head Married Male 40 1841 Debenham, Suffolk, England Poultry Live Stock Dealer (Bird)
Samuel Page Son Single Male 15 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Dealers Assistant
Emma Page Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Domestic Servant Genl
William Page Son Single Male 11 1870 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Henry Page Son Single Male 9 1872 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Amie P Page Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
Thurso Page Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Ipswich, Suffolk, England Scholar
25, Mount Street, Ipswich St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Birth
PAGE, THIRZA (HINDES)
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 675


(possible Elizabeth from 1881 posted by AG)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Mills Head Married Male 24 1867 Suffolk, England Shoe Maker
Allous Mills Wife Married Female 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Elizabeth Page Lodger Married Female 45 1846 Suffolk, England Charwoman
Alice M Page Lodger - Female 4 1887 Ipswich, Suffolk, England
1 Court a, Mount Street, St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk,

Birth
PAGE, ALICE MAUD -
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 791

(not seeing Mills/Page Marriage jumping out!)


Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Alice Maud
Last name Page
Birth year 1887
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 09 Mar 1887
Parish Ipswich, St Matthew
Place Ipswich
Father's first name(s) -
Mothers first name(s) Alice
Residence Ipswich
Notes bn 21 Feb / Turners Ct


(lol, will await Cert., now orf' to sweep snow from front door!)

Just to add - although of course it's a very common name -

the alternative Annie's mms was Smith - which was one of James's alias surnames.

Re the mother Elizabeth Page nee Smith -

I posted 1871 and 1881, and Chris posted a possible sighting in 1891.

Here's the 1891 Elizabeth in 1901, with the daughter Alice born 1887 (don't know what happened to the Alice born 1869) .

[ It's possible that the Elizabeth in 1871 and 1881 isn't the same one as in 1891 or 1901, given the fact that Alice's birth suggests her mms was Page ]


Alice Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Alice Page
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Elm St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Elm St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1776
Folio: 125
Page Number: 18
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Finch 49
Mary Ann Finch 23
Elizabeth Page 60 - widow, Nurse [Sick ?]
Alice Page 14 - factory hand


If she is the same Elizabeth, then possibly George's death:

Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
Page George 49 Ipswich 4a 425

I'll stop speculating now, and wait for Carol to report on the marriage cert!

(I'm trying to keep away till that Cert. arrives, you keep enticing me AG, lol, lol. James Mills is with Alice 1901 (I think!) they now have Ernest Mills (1897)...(but when looked on GRO, he seemed to have Maiden Name Bull)...

(think Alice Maud Married Edgar Baker Chamberlain 1905, they are on 1939 (Ipswich, Birthdate 21/1/87)

Aaggh!...

Chris :)

(ain't you got no snow to clear up there AG, lol, don't think we should be moaning down here really, after seeing news reports, getting worried my Scottish mackerel fillets will be in short supply!!)

Well, no I don't, Chris! This bit of the west coast, about 100 miles north of Glasgow, is completely snow free. Absolutely icy wind, but no lying snow, despite occasional flurries. Blue sky and sunshine yesterday - cloudier today, but still no snow. So far! I may have to eat my words later.

Now looking again at the Alices . . . . . .

I hope that marriage cert arrives soon, to settle the matter - or else set us off in another direction altogether.

Yes, you're right about Alice Maud (1887) marrying Edgar Chamberlain.
In 1911 they have two children, Violet (7 months) and Jessie (3).


CHAMBERLAIN, VIOLET MAUD mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1049

CHAMBERLAIN, ALICE JESSIE BAKER mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 1086

Re Alice 1867 marrying James Mills -

There are two Mills couples in Ipswich in 1901, with sons named Ernest, born 1897 (per the census).

Alfred & Annie (nee Bull), and James & Alice

I don't see the birth of James & Alice's son Ernest, so far.

In fact, I can't see James & Alice's marriage, so don't know if she's Alice Page or not.

It's NOT this one:

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
Kirby Alice Harriett Mutford 4a 1809
MILLS James William Mutford 4a 1809

(hope you stay snow free then AG, had enough of it now, lol)

Chris :)

Yes, if this Ipswich family is relating to Annie Wood/Garrod (whatever!) then don't think it's looking to be easy...(suppose easy was too much too ask for!)

We'll see...

My good ness had to go to hospital yesterday and look what has happened. I will be glad when certificate comes .This is driving everyone crazy. Thank you so much AG and Chris I appreciate all you are doing.xx

Hi Chris and Argyll Gran
I have the Marriage certificate at last James father is Hobart and Annie is George.
The Mistry is solving .So Elizabeth and George are her Parents.

(ooerr!, now is that a good or bad thing, lol lol)...

Chris :)

(any witness names that relate?)

witnesses are searles and Taylor.James and Annie lived at 134 Elizabeth street at the time of Marriage.

So what are we looking for now?!

1871 and 1881 censuses for Annie are posted on page 4, and she is with James in 1901 and 1911 - also posted previously.

Her parents' marriage cert should tell you more about them - copied again here:

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Page George Ipswich 4a 1368
Smith Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 1368

Also Annie's probable birth cert (copied here from page 4) will give more info:

PAGE, ALICE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 627

So we are fine now we have the Parents Her father was a Butcher.Thank you so much for your help.x

According to George's probable death record, he was born c1845, and according to 1871 census, born c1843 in Ipswich.


This might perhaps be him in 1861. I THINK his occupation is given as Dealer in Fowl:


George Page
in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Page
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: 1843
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Page
Mother's name: Lousia Page
Gender: Male
Where born: Crowfield, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Crowfield
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1155
Folio: 91
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
George Page 50
Lousia Page 41
Harriet Page 21
George Page 18
Walter Page 16
Herbert Page 13
Fredick Page 11
Arthur Page 8
Ebenezer Page 5


And 1851:


George Page
in the 1851 England Census
Name: George Page
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Page
Mother's name: Louisa Page
Gender: Male
Where born: Crowfield, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Crowfield
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 1797
Folio: 180
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
George Page 37
Louisa Page 32
Harriett Page 12
Alfred Page 10
George Page 8
Walter Page 5
Herbert Page 3
Frederick Page 7 Mo


Parents' marriage ??

Marriages Jun 1839 (>99%)
GOSLING Louisa Bosmere &c. 12 431
PAGE George Bosmere &c. 12 431


PAGE, EBENEZIER mms GOSLING
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON Volume 04A Page 477


PAGE, ALFRED mms GOSTLING
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in BOSMERE AND CLAYDON UNION Volume 12 Page 335

PAGE, WALTER mms GOSLING
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in BOSMERE & CLAYDON UNION Volume 12 Page 293


I don't see George's birth.

Oh my goodness thank you so much.I found his christening 7 june 1846 x

(adds below, but quickly, can't stay!)

Chris :)

Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) George
Last name Page
Birth year 1846
Baptism year 1846
Baptism date 07 Jun 1846
Parish Crowfield, All Saints
Place Crowfield
Father's first name(s) George
Mothers first name(s) Louisa
Father's occupation Fowl Merchant
Residence Crowfield
Notes bn 7 Jun 1843


(hope not him below!, from google search)

The London Gazette - Part 2 - Page 1885 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=khlKAQAAMAAJ

Great Britain - 1843 - ?Gazettes
George Page, late of Crowfield, near Debenham, Suffolk, Farming Labourer—In the Gaol of Ipswich,


02 February 1888 - The Ipswich Journal - Ipswich, Suffolk, England

George Page, Crowfield, was summoned in regard to the maintenance of his son in the Asylum. Mr. Gooding said the son was an inmate of Melton Asylum...
Defendant had been a great deal of trouble, he was a dealer in fowls, and had a horse and cart...


Page Louisa 1824 1887 (Buried 5th May) National Burial Index For England & Wales Crowfield, Suffolk, England

Page George 1810 1898 (Buried 24th Dec) National Burial Index For England & Wales Crowfield, Suffolk, England

I wonder if it is the same person.Thank you so much for your help.

(what does it give for occ. of George?...)

Chris :)

Edits (well 1851 George (Pork Butcher) Crowfield, with Louisa, and son George...

(then below, a Butcher born Debenham (near Crowfield)

George 1845 — 1881 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ipswich St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk, England

(apologies, bit quick as haven't got time, until Morning!)

(Butcher, Fowl Merchant/Dealer...Fowl Dealer 1891, Butcher at Annie Marriage 1894, did she really know what he was doing, lol, if this George is her Father, that is!)


(and hopes AQ sees result of that 1894 Marriage find, lol)

A butcher