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Looking for (A bit hopeful I know !) Children of William Smith & Elizabeth Chiveralls.

The above married in Weymouth, Dorset in 1887, and known children are -

(William John Smith is son of David Smith b Farlington c1840.)

William John Smith 1889, Weymouth, Albert George Smith 1890, Portsmouth, Rosina Alice Smith 1893, Weymouth, Fanny Elizabeth Smith 1894, Portsmouth & Marie Grace Smith 1896 Portsmouth.

Fanny eventually went to Canada via Barnardo's, and am in contact with her grandson. No need to trace her, thank you!

Albert is said to have emigrated to Australia in 1924. Other than that, I know nothing else about these siblings.

For reference -

1891 census Living in Rudmore, Hampshire - RG12 Piece 854
Elizabeth & family (No William John Smith) living with father in law - David Smith b Farlington b1840?

1901 census Living in Homewell, Havant, Hampshire - RG13 Piece 977
Elizabeth & children William, Rosina, Fanny & Marie Grace.

1911 Census Redhampton, Nr Havant, Hampshire -RG14 Piece 5464
Married to Albert Gates & had 2 children with him. Other children not listed - where are they all gone??

Don't even know when Elizabeth died or anything about the Smith side of this family.

Sorry to be long winded..... but can anyone help ??

Thanks

Hope you don't mind but I am including the records already found.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Byerley Street, Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
David Smith Head Widower Male 49 1842 Hampshire, England General Labourer
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Joseph D Smith Son Single Male 17 1874 - Bricklayers Labourer
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Elizabeth M Smith Daughter In Law Married Female 26 1865 Dorset, England -
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William J Smith Son - Male 3 1888 Dorset, England -
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Albert G Smith Son - Male 0 1891 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England -



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Homewell, Havant, Hampshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Elizabeth Smith Head Married Female 36 1865 Weymouth, Dorset, England Laundress
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William Smith Son - Male 13 1888 Weymouth, Dorset, England -
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Rosina Smith Daughter - Female 8 1893 Weymouth, Dorset, England -
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Fanny Smith Daughter - Female 6 1895 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England -
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Marie Grace Smith Daughter - Female 5 1896 Havant, Hampshire, England -



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
North Street Bedhampton Hampshire, Bedhampton, Hampshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Alfred Gates Head Married Male 47 1864 Hampshire Portsmouth Bricklayers Labourer
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Elizabeth Gates Wife Married Female 46 1865 Dorsetshire Weymouth -
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Alice Beatrice Gates Daughter Single Female 7 1904 Hampshire Bedhampton -
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Emily Louisa Gates Daughter Single Female 6 1905 Hampshire Bedhampton -

Elizabeth Gates
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
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Great Britain, England
Country
England
County
Hampshire
Year
1919
Birth Year
1864
Age
55
Event Quarter
4
District
Havant

Marie Grace's baptism.

Marie Grace
Last name Smith
Birth year 1896
Birth date 17 Feb 1896
Baptism year 1896
Baptism date 27 Mar 1896
Baptism place Havant
Dedication St Faith
Denomination Anglican
Residence Union Workhouse
Father's first name(s) William John
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Martha
County Hampshire


Rosina Alice's.


Rosina Alice
Last name Smith
Birth year 1895
Birth date 01 Feb 1895
Baptism year 1895
Baptism date 22 Aug 1895
Baptism place Portsea, St Mary
Dedication St Mary
Denomination Anglican
Residence Union
Father's first name(s) William John
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Martha
County Hampshire
Country England
Register type Baptisms

The whole family are in here. Elizabeth, mother 1865, William 1888, Albert 1890, Rosina 1893, Fanny 1895. They were all admitted on the 19th July 1895. They were discharged 24th Oct 1895.


Hampshire, Portsmouth Workhouse registers Transcription

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First name(s) Rosina
Last name Smith
Birth year 1893
Address Portsea
Admission Year 1895
Discharge year -
County Hampshire
Country England
Institution name Portsmouth Board Of Guardians
Register type Workhouse Register
Year Range 1891-1895
Archive reference BG/W2/2
Archive Portsmouth History Centre

Age a year or so out, but from Portsmouth area?

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription

First name(s) Albert G
Last name Smith
Title MR
Gender Male
Age 31
Birth year 1892
Occupation FARMING
Departure year 1923
Departure day 25
Departure month 8
Departure port London
Destination port Albany (King George Sound)
Destination ALBANY (KING GEORGE SOUND)
State Western Australia
Country Australia
Destination country Australia
Ship name Euripides
Ship official number 133648
Ship master's first name P J
Ship master's last name COLLINS
Shipping line THE ABERDEEN LINE
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 21866
Ship registered tonnage 9399
Number of passengers 892
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 189

Last UK address - 23 Staunton Road, Havant, Hants. Occupation Farming

???
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) ROSINA A
Last name SMITH
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ROSINA A SMITH married
William H Butt
Spouse's last name Butt
District Isle of Wight
District number -
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Volume as transcribed 2B
Page number 1412

3 children to marriage born Isle of Wight - names on https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search

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1939 register

???
unfortunately full DOB not included.
There is only one Rosina Alice Smith b1893 and Rosina could easily have been shortened to Rose

Household (1 Person)
Mental Hospital Whitecroft , Newport M.B., Isle of Wight, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) ROLE DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Rose A Butt Patient ? ? 1893 Female - Married 1 25

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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ROSE A
Last name BUTT
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1893
Age 70
Death quarter 4
Death year 1963
District Isle of Wight
County Hampshire
Volume 6B
Page 844

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??
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) WILLIAM H
Last name BUTT
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1892
Age 43
Death quarter 1
Death year 1935
District Isle of Wight
County Hampshire
Volume 2B
Page 1000
Country

Albert in 1901?


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Vicarage Lane, South Hayling, Havant, Hampshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Creese Head Married Male 70 1831 Westbourne, Sussex, England Labourer
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Charlotte Creese Wife Married Female 68 1833 Bedhampton, Hampshire, England -
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>>Albert Smith Boarder - Male 10 1891 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England School
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Walter Hewitt Boarder - Male 19 1882 Chichester, Sussex, England Bricklayers Labourer
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George Dickens Boarder - Male 66 1835 Bognor, Sussex, England Labourer

Marriages Sep 1887 (>99%)
CHIVERALLS Elizabeth Martha Weymouth 5a 540
SMITH William John Weymouth 5a 540

SMITH, ALBERT GEORGE CHIVERALLS Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 410

SMITH, ELIZABETH FANNY CHIVERALLS Order
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 469

SMITH, MARIE GRACE CHIVERALLS Order
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 405

SMITH, ROSINA ALICE CHIVERALLS Order
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 302

SMITH, ALICE ELSIE MAY CHIVERALLS Order
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 301

Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
Chivrells Elizabeth Martha Weymouth 5a 299


GATES, ALICE BEATRICE CHIVERALL Order
GRO Reference: 1903 S Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 404

GATES, EMILY LOUISA CHIVERALL Order
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in HAVANT Volume 02B Page 396

In the 1911 census (as posted above) Elizabeth and Alfred claim to have been married for 9 years, but I can't see any record on freebmd to support the claim

The Alice Elsie May Smith born 1899 was the daughter of Albert Richard Smith and Jane Tizard Chiveralls married 1893.

Alice is with them 1901/1911.

Maryb.

Thanks for checking that Mary

Marie Grace??

1911 48,Derby Road North end Portsmouth
Grace Smith 1896 born Havant

Harry head 1873 Eastbourne is head of house.

Maryb.

Marie Grace is down as just Grace in the school registers so the above census could be her.


National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914 Transcription

First name(s) Grace
Last name Smith
Birth year 1896
Birth date 17 Feb 1896
Event year 1899
School name Havant National/Church of England School
Town Havant
County Hampshire
Country England
Address Union
Parent name(s) -
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 259M86/A3

Could this be Grace in 1939? Marie Grace is written above her name.


Mullins Household (5 People) 109 West Street , Havant and Waterlooville U.D., Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Grace M (Marie) Mullins 17 Feb 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 184 2
Henry Mullins 18 Jul 1896 Male General Labourer Heavy Worker Married 184 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Doris E Harmer (Mullins) 11 Jun 1928 Female At School Single 184 4
Douglas H (Henry) Mullins 12 May 1931 Male At School Single 184 5



Yes, here we go.


First name(s) HENRY
Last name MULLINS
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1919
MarriageFinder™ HENRY MULLINS married
Grace M Smith
District Havant
County Hampshire
Country England
Volume 2B
Page number 1269


Children?


Births Mar 1924
Mullins Charles H Smith Havant 2b 594

Births Jun 1926
Mullins Peggy G Smith Havant 2b 578

Births Sep 1928
Mullins Doris E Smith Havant 2b 577

Births Jun 1931
Mullins Douglas H Smith Havant 2b 619




Mullins Charles H 1924 1925 1925 Civil Deaths & Burials Havant, Hampshire, England

Here is the full 1911 for her.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
48 Derby Road North End Portsmouth, Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

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Harry Head Head Married Male 38 1873 Sussex Eastbourne Batchers Manager
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Alice Head Wife Married Female 39 1872 Sussex Eastbourne -
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Reginald Percy Head Son Single Male 17 1894 Sussex Eastbourne Butcher
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Sidney Herbert Head Son - Male 13 1898 Sussex Eastbourne School
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George Ewart Head Son - Male 9 1902 Sussex Nothing -
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Harry Claude (Head) Son - Male 7 1904 Sussex Eastbourne -
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Alfred Horace Claude (should be Head) Son - Male 2 1909 Hampshire Southampton -
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Grace Smith Servant - Female 15 1896 Hampshire Havant General Servant Domestic

Grace's death.

First name(s) GRACE MARIE
Last name MULLINS
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 2
Birth year 1896
Death quarter 4
Death year 1977
District South East Hampshire
County Hampshire
Volume 20
Page 1645


also down as Marie Grace.

First name(s) MARIE GRACE
Last name MULLINS
Gender Female
Birth day 17
Birth month 2
Birth year 1896
Death quarter 4
Death year 1977
District South East Hampshire
County Hampshire
Volume 20
Page 1645

Apologies for not replying any sooner - life just got in the way since I started this post.

Am very grateful for the information you have found so far!! Would have struggled to find a lot of this stuff......

Does anyone know what happened to either William John Smith & his father David Smith??

For reference - I descend from Jane Tizard Chiveralls & Albert Richard Smith (my great grandparents!).

Elizabeth Chiveralls is 1/2 sister to Jane Chiveralls. Their father married twice. Elizabeth is from the 1st marriage, Jane from the 2nd. Half sisters leading to half cousins etc...........

Thanks again.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778005.0

(above from google search, Alfred John Gates)

Chris :)

https://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/

(above useful for IOW, Death refences posted earlier, as below)

(Name: BUTT, Rose Adele
Year of death: 1963)

(Name: BUTT, William Harry
Year of death: 1935)


Birth
SMITH, WILLIAM JOHN (CHEVERALLS)
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 324


Smith William John 1888 — 1899-1919 British Royal Navy Seamen 1899-1924 Weymouth, Dorset, England (Find My Past)
(Born 18th February 1888, occ. Fishmonger) (served on HMS Powerful 1908. Steward)