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I am helping a member David with his research.

David already has a "Meredith" thread.....but this is a different Meredith family.

I have been emailed the birth cert of.......

Henry James Meredith.....born 16th Dec 1866 at... 6 William Street, Kingsland, Hackney.

Birth registered 1st quarter of 1867

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Meredith Henry James Hackney 1b 415

Parents.......Henry Frederick Meredith (13 William Street, Kingsland) Occ:Accountant and Charlotte Hoey.

Information found so far..

Henry with his mother on the 1871 census.....

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
City Road, St Luke, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

Charlotte Meredith Mother - Female 27 1844 - Surrey, England (Annuity from husband and Umbrella Coverer)
Henry Meredith Son - Male 4 1867 - Middlesex, England

Charlotte married in 1878

She married under her maiden name of "Hoey" and claims to be a "Spinster"

There are no Meredith/.Hoey marriages registered that i can see, so i am guessing that she probably didn't marry Henry Frederick Meredith?

Charlotte Hoey in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Charlotte Hoey (Spinster)
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1878
Marriage Place: Emmanuel, Camberwell, Southwark, England
Father: John Hoey
Spouse: William Gould
Register Type: Parish Register

Henry with his mother on the 1881 census...


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Linden Terrace, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

William Gould Head Married Male 23 1858 Bridgwater, Somerset, England Carman
Charlotte Gould Wife Married Female 32 1849 Bermondsey- -
Henry J Meredith Son Of Above Single Male 14 1867 Kingsland, England -
Florence Meredith Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Surrey, England

MEREDITH, FLORENCE MMN HOYE
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in SHOREDITCH MIDDLESEX Volume 01C Page 133

We are struggling to find any information regarding father Henry Frederick Meredith

And.....

Any information regarding Henry James Meredith after the 1881 census.

Any info would be appreciated.

Prickles and Dave ;o))

????

1871 Census
8 Records found


Piece: RG10/2722 Place: Kington -Herefordshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Kington Ecclesiastical Parish: Kington
Folio: 25 Page: 1 Schedule: 3
Address: 3 High Street

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MEREDITH James Head U M 30 Ironfounder, Ironmonger Herefordshire - Kington
MEREDITH Sarah Mother W F 58 Lndownr & Occ 14acs Emp 70 Worcestershire - Stourport
MEREDITH John Brothr W M 36 Landowner Herefordshire - Kington
MEREDITH Henry F Brothr U M 34 Accountant Herefordshire - Kington xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
MEREDITH Sarah Jane Sister U F 31 No Occupation Herefordshire - Kington
MEREDITH Florence Sister U F 23 No Occupation Herefordshire - Kington
MEREDITH Authur H Nephew - M 4 Scholar Herefordshire - Bircher
PARTON Mary Servnt U F 26 Serv. (Domestic) Radnorshire - Norton

Ooooo, that looks interesting Saf.

:-)

If that is him, he appears to have married in 1877

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
MEREDITH Henry Frederick Clun 6a 778
METEYARD Lucy Anne Clun 6a 778

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
31, Duke St Gravel Hill, Kington, Herefordshire, England

Henry F Meredith Head Married Male 44 1837 Kington, Herefordshire, England Ironfounder Ironmonger Etc
Lucy A Meredith Wife Married Female 32 1849 Clunbury, Shropshire, England -
Florence L Meredith Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Kington, Herefordshire, England -
Mary M Meredith Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Kington, Herefordshire, England -
Martha J Downes Visitor Single Female 26 1855 Titley, Herefordshire, England -
Elizabeth M Davies Servant Single Female 18 1863 Almeley, Herefordshire, England General Serv
Anne Thomas Servant Single Female 20 1861 Brecknockshire, Wales General Servant

Henry Frederick in the 1861 census (he has a brother James who Henry James might have got his middle name from)??? :-

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street North Side, Kington, Presteigne, Worcestershire & Herefordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Henry Meredith Head Married Male 60 1801 Iron Monger And Draper Kington, Herefordshire, England
Sarah Meredith Wife Married Female 48 1813 - Kington, Herefordshire, England
Henry F Meredith Son Unmarried Male 24 1837 Drapers Assistant Kington, Herefordshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Meredith Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Iron Mongers Assistant Kington, Herefordshire, England
Sarah Jane Meredith Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 - Kington, Herefordshire, England
Anne Agnes Meredith Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Kington, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth L Meredith Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Kington, Herefordshire, England
Florence W Meredith Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Kington, Herefordshire, England
John E Parker Apprentice Unmarried Male 20 1841 Iron Mongers Apprentice -
Esther Havard Servant Unmarried Female 22 1839 House Servant Huntington, Herefordshire, England
Elizabeth Evans Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Cook Kington, Herefordshire, England

Kath. x

Henry Frederick's baptism:-

Herefordshire Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Henry Frederick
Last name Meredith
Sex Male
Birth year -
Baptism year 1836
Baptism date 07 Sep 1836
Place Kington
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Meredith
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
County Herefordshire
Country England
Record set Herefordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Kath. x

Jolly good Kath, thank you.

If we are on the right track, it would seem then, that Henry Frederick got together with Charlotte, produced two children (If we are to believe that Florence really was his daughter!) and then separated and moved on.

Would be interesting to know what happened to the son.....Henry James Meredith.

This looks like Henry Frederick's parent's marriage:-

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Sarah
Last name Wright
Name note -
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 06 May 1834
Marriage place Lower Mitton
Spouse's first name(s) Henry
Spouse's last name Meredith
Residence Lower Mitton, Worcester, England
County Worcestershire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

Sarah's surname is confirmed on the birth of daughter Anne Agnes in 1844 on the GRO site.

Kath. x

Not sure if this is a possibility for Henry James in 1920 Electoral Registers (if he swapped his names round) but it is in Kington which is the right place:-

Electoral registers 1920 Transcription

First name(s) James Henry
Last name Meredith
Year 1920
Season Autumn
Polling district or place Kington
Constituency P C of Herefordshire, Leominster Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Herefordshire, Leominster Division
County Herefordshire
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive The British Library
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.390/BL.H.50
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Great Britain, England

There are four other Merediths with the same address:-

John Arnold
Winifred
Eva Marion
Ethel Sarah

**EDIT** - the above is not Henry James Meredith, but his father's brother James as I have found this family in the 1911 census (same names and address):-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3 and 4 High St Kington, Kington Urban, Herefordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

James Meredith Head Married Male 70 1841 Kington Herefordshire Ironmonger And Draper
Winifred Meredith Wife Married Female 57 1854 Holloway London
Eva Marion Meredith Daughter Single Female 29 1882 Kington Herefordshire Teacher
Ethel Sarah Meredith Daughter Single Female 27 1884 Kington Herefordshire Teacher
Edith Norah Meredith Daughter Single Female 23 1888 Kington Herefordshire Teacher
Dorothy Meredith Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Kington Herefordshire School
Martha Williams Domestic Servant Single Female 39 1872 Kington Herefordshire Domestic Servant
Jessie Hackett Domestic Servant Single Female 17 1894 Kington Herefordshire Domestic Servant

Kath. x

That is interesting Kath........although i do wonder if Henry James Meredith, who was born in Hackney, would have moved to Hertfordshire.

See my edit of the above post.

Kath. x

Henry James's sister Florence took the name Gould:

Charlotte Gould
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Charlotte Gould
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1847
Spouse: William Gould
Child: Florence Gould
Birth Place: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Redcliffe
Residence Place: Weston in Gordano, St Mary Redcliffe, Gloucestershire, England
Sub registration district: St Mary Redcliff
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 1957
Folio: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gould 37
Charlotte Gould 44
Florence Gould 17

Maybe a possibility ??

Henry Meredith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry Meredith
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Relationship: Member of the Crew (Member)
Birth Year: 1868
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Royal Navy
Residence Place: Portsmouth Harbour, Royal Navy, Hampshire, England
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
ED, Institution or Vessel: Duke of Wellington
Neighbors:
Piece: 863
Folio: 32

Yes..........spotted your Edit Post Kath.

:-)

Also interesting ArgyllGran.

Thank you,

Or this one ?? Stoke Newington is part of the borough of Hackney, I believe.


Henry Meredith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Henry Meredith
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1867
Birth Place: Stoke Newington, London, England
Civil Parish: All Saints
Residence Place: Southampton, All Saints, Hampshire, England
Sub registration district: Southampton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 916
Folio: 118
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wort 49
Harriet Wort 47
Henry Wort 17
Edith Wort 14
Ernest Iman 8
John Webb 27
Henry Meredith 24 - traveller, married <<<<<<<<<<<
Lilian [Meredith] 23 - wife, [Canterbury ?], Kent
Arthur Hollamby 17
Edwin Padell 15
Martha Cross 27

Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
ANCELL Thomas Portsea 2b 803 Scan available - click to view
Couchman Lilian Portsea 2b 803 Scan available - click to view
Meredith Henry James Portsea 2b 803 Scan available - click to view
Quaide Hannah Portsea 2b 803

Possibly a great find ArgyllGran and Saf.

Please give me a few minuets to check the details and explain why.

Be right back >>>>

Ok.......here goes.

First of all, let me thank you all for your time in participating on this thread.

It is very much appreciated.

This is sooo confusing, Dave and i can't quite get our heads around it.

So......if the information we now have regarding Henry Fredrick Meredith is correct....here he is on the 1901 census....

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
78, Beulah Hill, Croydon, Surrey, England

Henry F Meredith Head Married Male 64 1837 Kington, Herefordshire, England Living On Own Means Transcription
Lucy A Meredith Wife Married Female 52 1849 Shropshire, England - Transcription
Florence L Meredith Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Kington, Herefordshire, England - Transcription
Mary M Meredith Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Kington, Herefordshire, England - Transcription
Sarah M Meredith Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Kington, Herefordshire, England - Transcription
Gwynne H Meredith Son Single Male 18 1883 Kington, Herefordshire, England - Transcription
Charles E Meredith Son Single Male 10 1891 Kington, Herefordshire, England - Transcription
Ella D Meteyard Cousin Single Female 28 1873 Twickenham, Middlesex, England - Transcription
Francis E Hyde Servant Single Female 24 1877 Ullingswick, Herefordshire, England Housemaid Domestic Transcription
Elizabeth A Pullen Servant Single Female 25 1876 Ullingswick, Herefordshire, England Cook Domestic

I see that Henry died in 1905

Henry Frederick Meredith in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Henry Frederick Meredith
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 178

Dave has provided me with a marriage certificate for a Henry James Meredith in 1907....

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
CARLISLE Gladys Ada Holborn 1b 1116
MEREDITH Henry James Holborn 1b 1116

The details from the marriage cert are.......

Henry James Meredith 37 years..
.Widower..
.Occ: Music Hall Manager.
.Res: 344 City Road
Father: Henry Frederick Meredith (Deceased) Occ: Commercial Traveller

Spouse.......

Gladys Ada Carlisle 21 years
Spinster
Res: 344 City Road
Father: William Carlisle (Deceased) Occ: Sculptor

Gladys's birth was actually registered as......

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Carlisle Ada Gladys Lambeth 1d 4_3

But she was later baptised as Gladys Ada Carlisle.

(Sorry this is taking me so long)

Here is Gladys Ada on the 1911 census........

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
73 Lothian Road, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Kate Carlisle Head Widow Female 57 1854 London Lambeth Baths And Wash House Attendant
Gladys Ada Meredith Daughter Married Female 24 1887 London Lambeth -
Henry Charles Meredith Son In- Law Married Male 41 1870 London Stoke Newington Musical Hall Manager
Mabel Lilian Elizabeth Carlisle Daughter Single Female 17 1894 London Brixton Music Hall Artist

As you can see......hubby appears as Henry Charles Meredith!

Ada Gladys died in 1931......and on her death cert, it states her husband is Charles Henry Meredith... "Theatrical Manager"

How confusing is that?

:-S :-0 :-S

I need to chill and relax ;-)

I will pop back on here tomorrow.

:-)