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Hi, am trying to unravel a mystery for my cousin this time! This is regarding Frederick St John Lacy, who lived in Cork, 1862 - 1935, and was famous as Professor of Music at Cork University. My cousin's grandmother, Delia Reid, 1915 - 1970 approx., lived Middleton Co Cork - we are trying to find a connection between her and Frederick. Thought may be grandmother's uncle?
Many thanks
Maureen

Start by finding the full names of Delia's parents. As she was your cousin's grandmother, one assumes that Reid was her married name..........

Only with parental information to hand can you hope to find out if there is a blood connection

1911

Residents of a house 2.1 in York Terrace (Cork No. 3 Urban, Cork)
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Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Lacy Frederick St John 48 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Blackrock, Co Cork Lecturer in Music at University College Cork, N.U.I. and Musical Composer Read and write - Single Lame - - -
Browne Louisa M. 66 Female Aunt Roman Catholic Mallow Housekeeper to me Read and write - Married - 31 - -
Browne William A 68 Male Married to aunt Roman Catholic Charleville Retired Draper Read and write - Married - 31 - -
MacCarthy Mary 19 Female Servant Roman Catholic Clonakilty General Servant Domestic Read and write - Single - -

Note the relationship of Louisa to Frederick

William and Louisa did not have any children

1901

Residents of a house 2 in York Terrace (North East Ward, Cork)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Browne William A 58 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork Draper Read and write English Married -
Browne Louisa M. 55 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Cork - Read and write English Married -
Lacy Frederick St J. 39 Male Visitor Roman Catholic Co Cork A.R.A.M Read and write English Not Married -
Buckleys Mary 70 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Waterford Domestic Servant Read Irish and English Not Married -
Kearan Bridget 22 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Cork General Servant Read and write English Not Married

Frederick St. John Lacy
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes
Name Frederick St. John Lacy
Event Type Marriage
Event Date Jan - Mar 1935
Event Place Cork, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jan - Mar 1935
Registration District Cork
Volume Number 5



Name Frederick St John Lacy
Event Type Death
Event Date Jul - Sep 1935
Event Place Kinsale, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year Jul - Sep 1935
Registration District Kinsale
Age 73
Birth Year (Estimated) 1862
Volume Number 5

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William A Browne
in the Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
Name: William A Browne
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar, 1880
Registration district: Cork, Ireland
Volume: 5
Page Number: 78
FHL Film Number: 101253
Records on Page:
Name
John Dynan
William Aherne
William A Browne <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Humphrey Geany
Maria King
Bridget Kennedy
Ellen Leahy
Louisa M Treacey <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brompton Square, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

Louisa S Clark - Widow Female 61 1830 London, Middlesex, England Lodging House Keeper Transcription
F St John Lacy Boarder Single Male 29 1862 Ireland Musician Transcription
Emily Dawson Servant Single Female 19 1872 Bedfordshire, England General Servant

Westminster Roman Catholic Census 1893 Transcription
22, Montpelier Street

Mr Van Der Put - - Transcription
Mrs Van Der Put - - Transcription
Albert C Van Der Put 1876 - Transcription
Marie Rose Van Der Put 1878 - Transcription
Fred St John Lacy - -

Thanks ErikaH and Argyllgran again!!! It's my cousins husband with query - feels that Delia Reid never married. Have been researching for him, but all I have found is a Delia Reid, birthplace Ireland, immigrating to New York 1956, on ship Nassau. Will inquire further to him, but all complicated! Will get back. We don't know who Frederick married, and just a few months before his death - maybe a Housekeeper? Would have thought as famous Professor of Music, may have had money? Found probate for him on Ancestry but unable to access it. Yes, interesting that Louisa Browne (nee Treacey) was his Aunt? Any info greatly appreciated. Regards Maureen

If Delia was his grandmother, a child of hers must have been his parent, unless, of course, adoption is involved.

And you still need the names of her parents..............

I can't see the migration record to which you refer - how old was the lady at the time?

Marriage of MARGORIE Evans and FREDERICK Lacy
on 02 February 1935
Group Registration ID 1452881
SR District/Reg Area Cork


https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

his death cert is also on there

No birth record on the Irish site for a Delia Reid

Just enquired and Mary Murphy was my cousins mother. Her mother, Delia Reid, was forced to give her away as she was illegitimate.

In that case, your chances of finding info are not good - you need documentation, and there is unlikely to be any

When was Mary Murphy born?

How does she know the name of her birth mother?

More info: Mary was registered as Murphy in 1936 on birth certificate - and funnily married a Murphy so still Mary Murphy, but believe she was adopted by Burns family.

I'm told definitely Delia Reid who never married was cousins grandmother. He actually met her in 1960's - she died in 1970.

Probate of Frederick to Marjorie Eleanor St John lacy widow £124.6.3d in England.

Maryb

If you can find her birth and get a copy cert, you may have a chance ofworking backwards

You haven't said how old Delia Reid was on the 1956 record

Didn't have age on 1956 immigration to NY. She was born 1915 and died around 1970.

Aloys Fleischmann in conversation with Tomas Ó Canainn

Taken from the Cork Review, June 1992.



TOG What about your music at this time?
AF': Lacy was my mentor. He was of a Blackrock family - Frederick St. John Lacy. In his youth he got same disease and his feet never grew. He had a fine body and a fine head, but the lower half of his body was dwarf-like. He could only walk on crutches. Despite that he went to London. He had a good voice and was a very popular singer to his own accompaniment - so popular that he was made President of the prestigious Savage Club in London. He used to tell me about being host at a big dinner, when the Duke of Con-naught was his chief guest.

Once, when in London, I had an appointment with a librarian, from whom I was hiring music for my orchestra. He brought me to The Savage Club, on the walls of which were pictures of past presidents. Who did I see there but Lacy. So I said to my man, who was a member of the club: 'do you know who that president is?' (there were no names on the portraits) He checked with the secretary of the club, but nobody knew. I told him; 'that's Professor Lacy of UCC.'
Lacy was very pedantic: his lectures largely consisted of expounding Prout's book on harmony and Kitson's on counterpoint. Then you did the exercises and with enormous labour he'd play what you wrote, sighing and heaving, trying to get his hands around it. But 1 must say he was very devoted to his work and I got on well with him, gaining first honours in all the exams. One day his housekeeper let me into a big secret: 'you're going to be his heir and you'll be very well-off.' Some months later, however, the housekeeper answered the door, looking rather crestfallen, and said to me: 'I'm afraid he's fallen for one of his students and is going to marry her'.


He had retired at this time, so he must have been over seventy, though he still gave lessons. A singer of about twenty-eight fell for him completely - she worshipped him. They married and she sold off his library, an enormous one, and the College bought most of it. I had already got his job by then. Quite a number of the scores I now have derive from Lacy - I bought them from his widow.

This will be the record you mean, I think:

Delia Reed
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Delia Reed
Arrival date: 20 Jul 1956
Birth Location: Connecticut
Birth Location Other: Hartford
Port of Departure: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Nassau


However, as well as the different spelling of her surname, the image gives her birthplace as both Ireland 1929, and Hartford, Connecticut - so it doesn't look as if she's your Delia.