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Im looking for my great granddads father who I think is John Williams 1873? Because of the surname im finding it very difficult to trace. My G.G dads name was Thomas Williams 1902-1969 born in Llandilofawr Wales. He had a few sisters that I know of, they are Dorris, Gladys, Gwen, Lettie, Hannah, Mary.
Ive attempted to link dates and searches but am at a complete loss. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Carl

Do you have any dates of birth for any of the sisters please?

Do you have a census for the family? If so, could you please paste it for us?

This one died in 1969. is he by any chance, your g grandfather?

1939 Register Transcription

Williams Household (8 People) Gorsegoch , Carmarthen R.D., Carmarthenshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Thomas Williams 13 May 1902 Male Colliery Repairer Married 134 1
Elsie Williams 07 Apr 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 134 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Joseph J Williams 13 Jul 1928 Male At School Single 134 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
William T Williams 17 Jan 1932 Male At School Single 134 7
Olive Gray 23 Mar 1899 Female Domestic Married 134 8


EDIT A possible marriage. This is all just speculation at the moment.


First name(s) Thomas
Last name Williams
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -

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Thomas Williams married one of these people

Elsie G Walker
Spouse's last name Walker
District Llandilofawr




Births Sep 1928 (>99%)
Williams Joseph J Walker Llandilofawr 11a 1869

These are the Thomas Williams that show as born Llandilofawr RD (1902 +/- 1 year) - which must cover his birth if born in Llandilofawr itself.

However, how do you know he was born in 1902 and where he was born?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WILLIAMS, THOMAS AERON JAMES Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in LLANDILOFAWR Volume 11A Page 1255 Order

WILLIAMS, THOMAS JOHN - Order
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in LLANDILOFAWR Volume 11A Page 1160 Order

WILLIAMS, THOMAS JONES JONES Order
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in LLANDILOFAWR Volume 11A Page 1249 Order

WILLIAMS, THOMAS MADDEN MADDEN Order
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in LLANDILOFAWR Volume 11A Page 1230 Order

Do you know where he/his family were in 1939, we can get a DOB if he shows on the Register or when and where was his death recorded

If that 1939 of alviegals' is correct -

Thomas Williams married one of these people
Elsie G Walker
Spouse's last name Walker
District Llandilofawr
District number -
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 2679
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England and Wales births

First name(s) Joseph J
Last name Williams
Birth year 1928
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Walker
District Llandilofawr
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 1869

and

First name(s) William T
Last name Williams
Birth year 1932
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Walker
District Llandilofawr
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 1575

The marriage certificate would give Father's names and an occupation which might help to track the family in 1911

Perhaps Carl has gone to bed gg. I'll look back tomorrow to see if he's replied to any of our questions. :-)

Yes, it's about that time of night me thinks alviegal !

EDIT - see below, I never did get there - well not until later than is good for me.

1911 census
Thomas Williams
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Thomas Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Llanarthney, Gorslas Llandebie S O Carm, Carmarthenshire, Wales
County: Carmarthenshire
Parish: Llanarthney
Sub-District: Llangendeirne
Registration District: Carmarthen
Gender: Male
Age: 9
Marital Status (Original): SINGLE
Occupation: SCHOOL
Birth Year (Estimated): 1902
Birthplace: Path, Glamorganshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Line: 6
Page: 1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Williams Head Male 41 Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
Hannah Mary Williams Wife Female 40 Pentred, Glamorganshire
Shadrack Williams Son Male 15 Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
Mary Ann Williams Daughter Female 14 Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire
Hannah Williams Daughter Female 12 Path, Glamorganshire
Thomas Williams Son Male 9 Path, Glamorganshire
Lelles Williams Daughter Female 6 Path, Glamorganshire
Doris Williams Daughter Female 2 Path, Glamorganshire

family in 1901

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Hannah Williams
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name: Hannah Williams
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Peterstone Super Montem, Glamorganshire, Wales
County: Glamorganshire
Civil Parish: Peterstone Super Montem
Ecclesiastical Parish: Coychurch With Peterstone
Sub-District: Cowbridge
Registration District: Bridgend
Gender: Female
Age: 0
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1901
Birthplace: Brynna, Glamorganshire
Schedule Type: 36
Page Number: 7
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Williams Head Male 29 Cross Sands, Carmarthenshire
Hannah Williams Wife Female 28 Treherbert, Glamorganshire
David Williams Son Male 10 Cross Sands, Carmarthenshire
Shadrack Williams Son Male 5 Cross Sands, Carmarthenshire
Morgann Williams Daughter Female 3 Cross Sands, Carmarthenshire
Hannah Williams Daughter Female 0 Brynna, Glamorganshire

John Williams
Wales, Glamorganshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
Name: John Williams
Event Type: Marriage Banns
Event Date: 14 Oct 1889
Event Place: Ystradyfodwg, St John, Glamorganshire, Wales
Spouse's Name: Hannah Jones

Possibly the census you've posted are a good find Malyon, the names certainly fit what Carl has put in his OP.

The RD of Llandilofawr and Llanarthney are next to each other and the places are only 5 miles or so apart

The RD Carmarthen covers Llanarthney where Shadrach is said to be born on the 1911 census

Cross Sands on transcript 1901 is probably Cross Hands

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
WILLIAMS, SHADRACH LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in CARMARTHEN Volume 11A Page 1141

?? born pre marriage but John acknowledged he was Father
WILLIAMS, DAVID LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in CARMARTHEN Volume 11A Page 1009
or this on with no MMN suggesting illegitimate
LEWIS, DAVID - Order
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in CARMARTHEN Volume 11A Page 1069

?? Morgan on the 1901 posted but Mary Ann 1911
WILLIAMS, MARY ANN LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in CARMARTHEN Volume 11A Page 1145

??Hannah from the 1901 aged 10 months on original I think. Bridgend covers Peterson super Montem where the family are living
WILLIAMS, HANNAH MAUD LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 819

WILLIAMS, THOMAS LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 910

?? Lelles on the 1911 and Geraint's Letty?
WILLIAMS, LETITIA LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 954

?? Doris from the 1911
WILLIAMS, RACHEL DORIS LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 1021

On the 1911, places of birth for the younger children are given as Path on the transcript. The original doesn't look like Path, but quite what it is I don't know

The 1911 says that John and Hannah had had 9 children - 6 still living and 3 had died

??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
Howells Elizabeth Mary Carmarthen 11a 1148
Lewis Hannah Mary Carmarthen 11a 1148 <<<<<<<
Thomas Thomas Carmarthen 11a 1148
Williams John Carmarthen 11a 1148 <<<<<<<<

Wow guys, thank you for all the responses. I haven't found any records of the family as it looks like Thomas moved away possibly. Which would make sense that grey ghost has found all of the above. You guys are truly amazing, I'll be back later to answer some more questions. Thank you

Hi all, from what I have found from living relatives and records is that my G.G dad Thomas Williams was born in 1902 and died in 1969. He married Elsie Walker in 1924 but moved to Pen-y-groes and it looks as if his last days were spent there. I think he was 1 of 9? But I only have the 7 names I put on my first post but this is unclear. It is thought that my G.G.G dad was a John Williams born around 1873 but this isn't clear. Sadly I haven't got a name for my G.G.G mother but my family still pass on there names even today.
Thomas was born in Llandybie Llandilofawr.

Im now thinking that the names I have for Thomas siblings are close but not right.

Hope this helps peeps and thank you.

Marriages Jun 1886
LEWIS Hannah Llandilofawr 11a 1093
Williams John Llandilofawr 11a 1093

the 1911 census looks like the family

I shall have a look now, thank you for your help.

The 1911 has them married 19 years so c1892. The one greyghost posted looks closest to this.

so the son david in 1901 aged 10 census was born before they married

That would make sense why they called all the children Lewis Williams. I have a very old pic of a young child with Shadrach on the back, I didn't have a clue who this was nor where it came from. I could only think it came from my late mums photos.