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Michael & Georginas daughter at birth in Barrow-in-Furness in 1890 is Emily Jane.On the 1901 & 1911 censuses,she's also Emily Jane,living with her parents.She appears to have shortened her name,or was maybe known as,Emma,in 1912 when she has Joseph.There's no fathers name on his birth record.She then appears to have married James Daly in 1914.The 1868 birth comes from the 2 census records.
Appreciate everyones help,cheers.

This would appear to be Cecily's birth (different spelling):-

First name(s) Cecilia
Last name Maguire
Birth year 1891
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Sutherland
District Barrow in Furness
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 932
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Possible for Hugh's birth:-

First name(s) Hugh
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1909
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1909
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 517
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

and Susan's:-

First name(s) Susan
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1908
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1908
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 551
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

and Rose's:-

First name(s) Rose
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1902
Registered quarter/year Jan - Mar 1902
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 515
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

and George's:-

First name(s) George
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1906
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1906
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 529
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

Kath. x

Kelzi- but that was my point- according to the 1891, 1901, and 1911 census, Michael was born c1866 not 1868:

A descendant of George Maguire (b. 12 June 1906) has a tree on Ancestry listing Michael's father as James- it might be worth contacting him to see if this information has come from Michael's marriage certificate.

The Michael Maguire birth you posted earlier (1868 Lurgan) has parents Hugh Maguire (shoemaker) and Mary Jane (formerly Quinn)

are you sure you're looking at the correct census- Emily was never 'Emily Jane'- on census, birth and marriage she is Emily Mary? She appears as just Emma on the 1901 census in Ireland

Birth (GRO):
MAQUIRE, EMILY MARY (mother's maiden name: SUTHERLAND )
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 839

1891
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Residence Place: Barrow, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25
Piece: 3487 Folio: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Maguire 25 Head Steel works, Ireland
Georgina Maguire 22 Wife, Ireland
Emily M Maguire 10 mths daughter Barrow
Patrick Maguire 23 boarder, Navvy, Ireland
Alexander McWilliams 23 boarder
Edward McKenney 25
John Killen 28
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Marriage: 3rd June 1914 Chapel of Dunmore, Downpatrick
Emily Mary Maguire (spinster, full age)
Father: Michael Maguire (foreman labourer)

Residents of a house 41 in Drumaness (Dunmore, Down)

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Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses


Keenan Patrick 12 Male Grand Son R Catholic Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Maguire Francis 75 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Down Labourer Read and write - Married -
Maguire William 31 Male Son R Catholic Co Down Rougher in Spinning Mill Read and write - Not Married -
Maguire Cicily 64 Female Wife R Catholic Co Down -

1901 Census shows Michael living at No.38 and I would suggest that there is a distinct possibility the above are his parents....
There was a Sarah born to Michael and Georgina May1899 Drumaness but died April 1900.(Whooping Cough)
Francis born Feb 1901 died March 1901(convulsions from Birth.
Possibly a Michael Francis b 1905 but I cannot locate a Birth /Death for him

Keizi...are you sure you are following the correct family.....? What happened to "your Joseph" after he was born....?

Without the marriage certificate it's difficult to pinpoint a birth for Michael, but did wonder if the following family were related. They are from the same area of Ireland and have similar first names. - I don't see a birth for Michael with these parents but I know this couple also had a daughter Mary and I don't see her birth either.

1901:
Residents of a house 41 in Drumaness (Dunmore, Down)
Keenan Patrick 12 Male Grand Son R Catholic
Maguire Francis 75 Male Head of Family R Catholic
Maguire William 31 Male Son R Catholic
Maguire Cicily 64 Female Wife R Catholic

Francis and Cicily's children included Mary, Sarah, William, Hugh, Patrick, Thomas, Rose & Francis
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Looking at the births of children for Michael and Georgina there does seem to be a pattern:

EMILY MARY MAGUIRE 1890 (Georgina's sister was also Emily M)

CECILIA MAGUIRE 1891 (Possibly named after Michael's mum)

FRANCIS JAMES EDWARD MAGUIRE (died 1897) (Possibly named after Michael's father)

ROBERT MAGUIRE 1895 (died 1896) (named after Georgina's father)

ELIZABETH MAY MAGUIRE 1897 (named after Georgina's mother)

SARAH MAGUIRE 03 May 1899 (died 1900) (birth was registered by a Sarah Maguire- possibly Michael's sister)

FRANCIS MAGUIRE on 07 February 1901 (died at five weeks) (Again possibly named after Micheal's father)

ROSE MAGUIRE on 22 January 1902 (possibly named after Michael's sister)

GEORGE MAGUIRE on 12 June 1906

SUSAN MAGUIRE on 08 April 1908

HUGH MAGUIRE on 04 September 1909

KATHLEEN MAGUIRE on 11 November 1911

Erin- apologies I didn't refresh the page, but it looks like we're thinking along the same lines

Joseph,born 1912,appears first in the info I've gathered after his birth,as father to Mary Josephine born 1937 in Barrow-in-Furness.I have this certificate.Next he appears on the 1939 register at 15,Silverdale Street,Barrow-in-Furness.Then in 1939 also he's named on the birth certificate of William Patrick.This information is100% correct.I may be wrong,but it appears the family were originally from Ballynahinch area,came over to Barrow-in-Furness late 1880s-when Barrow was a 'boomtown' with the shipyard & steel industry,before returning to Northern Ireland around 10 years later.I'd have a guess that Joseph-& possibly a sibling,maybe Hugh (?)-who I think is possibly the 'Harry' we're looking for (?) came to Barrow-in-Furness for work as both industries 'kicked off' again in the mid-late 1930s.I've found a Hugh Maguire in the 1939 register in Marsh Street,Barrow-in-Furness,but it doesn't seem to be correct?
Once again,your help is much appreciated with piecing everything together,CHEERS.

AustinQ…

I cannot but think something is not right ….

Cecilia died Sept.01 (same address and Francis died 1904 in the infirmary...)
Son William is still at same address 1911 but under Magurie….(mispelling.)

If the birth for Joseph Maguire b Belfast (mother Emma) is indeed the correct "Emma" eg daughter to Michael and Georgina then sometime after the 1911 Census she became pregnant ended up having her child in BUW returned to Ballynahinch area and married in 1914...and what happened to Joseph..???

Francis Maguire
of Drumaness; husband of Cicily/Cecilia McLeigh/ McAlea ;
father of John bpt. 17 Jun 1863
Patrick bpt.20 Nov 1865
Francis b, 7 Jan & bpt. 18 Jan 1868
Williamb. 24 Mar & bpt. 26 Apr 1869
Sarah bpt. 28 Oct 1871
Rose bpt. 24 Mar 1874
Thomas bpt. 12 Feb 1876
Hugh bpt. 24 Feb1878 at Ballynahinch Catholic Church

John Maguire possibly brother to Francis married Catherine McLeigh/McAlea...children born to the couple had virtually all same names…!!!

Erin- I agree, something doesn't seem right.

Kelzi- you said the birth below was for Joseph's son- what was the address on the certificate? Was it Silverdale Street?

Births Mar 1939 (>99%)
Maguire William P Robinson Barrow F. 8e 914
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You also mention a brother to Joseph- Hugh or Harry- but if Emily had married then the brother would be surname Daly/ Daley.

In your opening post you said that Joseph was said to have had a brother form the Ballynahinch area of Ireland- who gave you this information?

I'll be back in a while

After Emily marries James Daly, she had son Michael 1914:

Birth:
Name MICHAEL James DALY
Date of Birth 21 November 1914
Group Registration ID 1148587
SR District/Reg Area Downpatrick
Sex Male
MotherEmily Mary Daly formerly MAGUIRE

His death:
Name: Michael James Daley
Death Age: 62
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1914
Registration Date: Mar 1977
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume: 1
Page: 0118
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Possible death for Emily- also in Barrow:
Name: Emily Mary Daley
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 12 May 1889
Registration Date: Jun 1972
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b Page: 499
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Emily Mary's brother, Hugh was living in Tadcaster, Yorkshire with his wife Rosina (Flynn) in 1939. He died 1976 Manchester.

I got the information re Josephs brother-'Harry' off his grandaughter Susan & her husband who went to visit 'Harry' in Ballynahinch c2008-2010,so he must of been a good age? In his 90s ?Josephs son-William also confirmed this.He also told us he remembers living in Silverdale Street,Barrow-in-Furness when he was a child.I do not know what happened to Joseph between his birth in 1912 up until he surfaced in Barrow-in-Furness in 1937 as father to Mary Josephine.Then on the 1939 register & then as father to William P.I'm also now been told that their mother-'Daisy' had already been married & had children,& that Joseph & 'Daisy' had,at least, one other child too? She was only 2-3 year old when she died (ran over in a car accident).

This is possibly the other child:

Births Dec 1945
Maguire Elizabeth C (Mother's maiden name: Robinson )
Barrow F. 8e 1007

Death:
Name: Elizabeth C Maguire
Death Age: 2
Birth Date: abt 1946
Registration Date: Sep 1948
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b Page: 129

I can't link any Harry/ Henry Maguire/ Daly/ Daley into this family at the moment.

Emily Mary and James Daley had a son Patrick in 1916. On the birth James is described as a private in the army. Patrick died in April 1917 and is listed as the son of a soldier. I don't have access to FMP, but wondered if James army record was on there (clutching at straws- but wanted to know if there was reference to Joseph or other children).

James Daley died in Barrow in 1953:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar
DALEY James of 10 Franklin Street Barrow-in-Furness Lancashire died 18 April 1953 Administration Manchester to Emily Mary Daley widow. Effects #450
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Are you sure Harry/ Henry's surname was Maguire?- Could Harry have been related to Margaret/ Daisy rather than Joseph?

MANY THANKS for all your help everyone.
LOADS of new info through today.Discovered that the Margaret named as Josephs wife,is indeed the lady named above,born in 1905 in Ireland (Kilkeel).She's said to have had a brother-Leslie,who married a Helen.They had children-Robert,Leslie & Violet.
The 'Harry' mentioned as a possible brother to Joseph is incorrect.It was relatives on the Robinson side that the family visited c2000.Possibly Shore Road ?

Checked at local library,the James Daly(Daley) mentioned above at 10,Franklin Street is correct- - - Joseph,Margaret(Daisy) & the family lived at 18,Franklin Street,later moving to Exmouth Street not far away.

Discovered that Joseph had brothers & sisters:-
Samuel,Lily,William,Michael & George (Daley) who lived in the Grammarscroft area of Millom,also a possible step sister-Frances?

Keizi…...To say I have become confused is an understatement !!

If Joseph had brothers/sisters and he was a Maguire what was their surname....and where were they born...?

I'm not surprised-I am too,lol.Their surnames were Daley /Daly.His mother-Emma (Emily) married James Daley/Daly in 1914 in Antrim area Northern Ireland.I'm not positive,but think all the children were born in that area.

Just got the marriage certificate for Joseph Maguire & Margaret Jane Robinson,1974 in Barrow-in-Furness.It says-with reference to her,that her previous marriage was dissolved.I know now that she was married in 1952 to John Wilkes in Barrow-in-Furness & they had children,but,it also says that Josephs previous marriage was dissolved too ?? No one in the family has any knowledge of this? He's on the 1939 register in Silverdale Street,Barrow,on his own,but married?- - - but who to? Was he married in Ireland before coming over to Barrow? (I can't find a definite record).Did he marry elsewhere? (Again.I can't find a definite record) He had children with Margaret Jane Robinson from 1937 (at least) through to 1945,but I'm told they never married until 1974.His father is given as James Daley (deceased) on marriage record.