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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1930 (>99%)
Kay Thomas C A 61 Islington 1b 273

This is Thomas George Kay- father David, an upholsterer (same as on marriage)? Looks like he was still living when Emily remarried:

Baptism:
Name: Thomas George Key
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Feb 1903
Born: 22nd Nov 1902
Baptism Place: Battle Bridge All Saints, Islington, England
Father: David Key (upholsterer)
Mother: Irene Key
Abode: 14 Caledonian Crescent
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On 1934 electoral register, living with his parents:

59 Huntingdon Street, Islington
David Kay
Irene Kay
Reginald Kay
Stanley Kay
Thomas George Kay
William Kay
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Thomas in 1939 register:

Name: Thomas G Kay
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1902
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Portsoken St. Formerly Swan Street. L.C.C School, A.R.P Stretcher Depot
Residence Place: City of London, London, England
Occupation: General Labourer Heavy Works
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Death:
Name: Thomas George Kay
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1902
Registration Date: Dec 1980
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 0741

Emily on 1928 electoral register- looks to be a shared dwelling (Mark Moon possible witness to marriage):

42 Medina Road, Islington
Alfred Clark
Emily Hall
Francis Richard Hudson
Mark Moon
Henry Pitt
Lily Pitt
William Harold Walter

Hey AustinQ thank you... so did it say who signed the death cert? Can i ask how you get your info? Either im being thick or you are joined to more than me :-)

Im trying to figure out how to find Arthuredarwd wheeler hall db - 1914... son Tony, would i need to order all the certificates ? Or is there a way without doing that ?

Thank you again ill print this info out too...

Ps, i was told that arthur walked into a cafe and his dad (Arthur Wheeler)owned the cafe in neasden, and recognised him as they looked identical apparently, anyway they talked all day that day..... the next day arthur junior went back to find it closed...... he later found out that day he met his bio father had died.... anyway so thats just another reason id like to find any more living relatives if i can :-)

Oh AusitnQ, yes the info was same as the marriage cert too :-)

Still trying to find Arthur/Archie edward Wheeler Hall dob is 1914, paddington, but have no more info, his dad had same name Wheeler without Hall obv i have his DOB as 1895 .... I was told that Arthur senior didnt know he had a son, im told his sons name is Tony im guessing would be Hall as they all took that name his dob would be 1980, not sure on marriages / areas on any or anything else...apart from the Arthur senior had a cafe in Neasden where he met his son for the first asnd last time as he died that night... Thank you for all your help.

1939 ???
Arthur E Hall

in the 1939 England and Wales Register
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Name: Arthur E Hall
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 376A Neasden Lane
Residence Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Fruiterer Shop Assistant
Schedule Number: 46
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: BXJT
Registration district: 129-2
Household Members:
Name
George H Clark
Margaret Fordnce Clark
This record is officially closed.
Arthur E Hall

Thank you MAddie but no sadly, Arthur edward wheeler hall was born in paddington 1914, his father Arthur wheeler born abt 1895 was the one who later on had this cafe in Neasden. I wish i knew more, even looked on the BMD site and theres loads of could be's as his son born 1980 approx was known as Tony, not sure if his cert says antony anthony or tony :-/

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1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Harwood Household (4 People)
173 St Pauls Avenue , Harrow U.D., Middlesex, England

Arthur Wheeler
DOB
01 Jan 1880
SEX
Male
OCCUPATION
Café Owner
MARITAL STATUS
Married
SCHEDULE
235
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
4

Elizabeth Ellen (Eleanor E) Harwood
DOB
27 Jun 1888
SEX
Female
OCCUPATION
Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS
Widowed
SCHEDULE
235
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
1

Alfred Harwood
DOB
14 Jun 1918
SEX
Male
OCCUPATION
Postal Sorter
MARITAL STATUS
Single
SCHEDULE
235
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
2

Robert Harwood
DOB
24 Jan 1919
SEX
Male
OCCUPATION
Postal Sorter
MARITAL STATUS
Single
SCHEDULE
235
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
3

It seems a little unlikely- although entirely possible- that someone born 1914 was fathering a child in 1980. Are you 100% sure of your dates?

Not doubting you - just checking

Do we know approximately when his son visited him at the cafe i.e. his year of death?

Dea x

is this arthur's birth

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
HALL Arthur E W Hiom Paddington 1a 66

Yes, malyon, as posted on page one.

Name: Walter Hall
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1883
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1911
Marriage Place: Maida Hill, Westminster, England
Father: George Frederick Hall
Spouse: Emily Hiom
Father: Thomas Hiom
Register Type: Parish Register

THIS is the man born 1895 - in my opinion, he has no connection whatever with Emily

Name: Arthur Edgar Warren Hall
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Barnes, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Barnes
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 18 Grove Road, Barnes, Surrey SW
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Apprentice Silk Agent
Registration district: Richmond
Registration District Number: 41
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 152
Piece: 3621
Household Members:
Name Age
George Piggott Hall 59
Julia Kate Hall 50
George Macdonald Hall 35
Arthur Edgar Warren Hall 16
Harry Francis 30

Name: Arthur E W Hall
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1895
Registration Date: Dec 1965
Registration district: Richmond upon Thames
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5d
Page: 736

Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
Hall Arthur E W Richmond 2a Jun/27***

Births Jun 1927 (>99%)
Hall Arthur E W Warren Richmond S. 2a 903 Re-registered because his parents married after his birth

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Hall George Pigott Wandsworth 1d 1056
Warren Julia Kate Wandsworth 1d 1056

In the original post the afther was WALTER -

My grandad was 66 when he died. His name Sampson Maynard Hall, no father on birth cert 1917. Would like to know any siblings he had. His father was Walter Hall married to Emily Hiom (1911 19th march).

later in the thread you changed your mind and said he was ARTHUR


Still trying to find Arthur/Archie edward Wheeler Hall dob is 1914, paddington, but have no more info, his dad had same name Wheeler without Hall obv i have his DOB as 1895 ...


There seems to be an awful lot of guesswork and gossip involved in this, which makes finding info very difficult

Purely as a source of amusement, I've just looked on Ancestry and a tree on there has Emily Hiom and some family members. The ludicrous part is that her marriage to Walter Hall in 1911 is recorded, but he is said to have died BEFORE 1901.