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Charles Cockin born 1895 Halesowen

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Kelzi

Kelzi Report 28 Oct 2018 08:48

This person married Eleanor Colenso in Barrow-in-Furness in 1918.On the 1911 census his parents are given as Joseph & Qannie,looking at image,it's clearly Annie.I can't find Joseph & Annies marriage,nor can I find them on any census's before then.I think I've got Charles on the 1901 census aged 6 as a boarder? If anyone could help with any info ?
Eleanor Colenso is said to have been born in Barrow-in-Furness in 1893-I can't find her birth in Barrow-in-Furness- - - or anywhere?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Oct 2018 09:09

Does she give a father’s name?

Look for a birth for Charles on the GRO site where MMN is given

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 28 Oct 2018 09:12

Yes,George Colenso.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 09:30

Def her maiden name

Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Cockin Frances M Colenso Barrow F. 8e 907
Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Cockin George J Colenso Barrow F. 8e 1271
Births Mar 1932 (>99%)
Cockin Charles T Colenso Barrow F 8e. 887

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 28 Oct 2018 09:36

Parents marriage.....
Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
Callenso George Barrow F. 8e 1641
McKay Catherine Jane Barrow F. 8e 1641 click to view

Perhaps she was registered as McKay?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Oct 2018 09:36

Births:
COCKIN, CHARLES (Mother's maiden name: MATHEWS)
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 138

COCKIN, WILLIAM THOMAS (Mother's maiden name: MATHEWS)
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 154

Possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1876
COCKIN Joseph Dudley 6c 111
Matthews Jane Dudley 6c 111
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Joseph and Annie are only listed as married 10 years in 1911- so Annie looks to be a second partner of Joseph.

Joseph and Jane had other children:

1891:
Name: Joseph Cockin
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1859
Birth Place: Hasbury, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Hasbury
Residence Place: Hasbury, Hasbury, Worcestershire, England
Sub registration district: Halesowen
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5 Piece: 2299 Folio: 94

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Cockin 32
Jane Cockin 35
Martha Cockin 14
George Cockin 11
Joseph Cockin 8
Mary Ann Cockin 5
Arthur Cockin 3

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 09:37

This looks like her on the 1911census

View 1911 England Census

Name: Elenor Colenso
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Barrow In Furness
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Search Photos: Search for 'Barrow in Furness' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 60 Emlyn Street
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Mineral Water Works
Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Registration District Number: 482
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 25666
Household Members:
Name Age
George Colenso 43
Kate Colenso 53
Elenor Colenso 18
Fanny Colenso 16
George Colenso 13
Edward Colenso 10

Married 11 years 4 children born all living

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 09:42

1901 census

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Name: Nellie Clenza
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: George Clenza
Mother: Catherine Clenza
Birth Place: Barrow, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4012
Folio: 127
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 216
Household Members:
Name Age
George Clenza 33
Catherine Clenza 42
Nellie Clenza 8
Fannie Clenza 6
George T Clenza 3
Robert E Clenza 3/12

Children all born Barrow

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 09:48

Here's Robert E

Births Mar 1901
Collenso Robert Edward Barrow F. 8e 800

Births Mar 1898
COLLENSO George Thomas Barrow F. 8e 843

Births Jun 1895
Colenso Fanny Matilda Barrow F 8e 856

Not seeing Eleanor probably another misspelling

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 28 Oct 2018 10:02

Robert & Edward mother's maiden name Kneale. Mother's 1st marriage?

Name: Catherine Jane Kneale
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 22 Aug 1875
Marriage Place: Saint Barnabas,Douglas,Isle of Man,England
Spouse: William Henry Mc Kay
FHL Film Number: 106186, 106187

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 28 Oct 2018 10:04

THANK YOU everyone.It's Eleanors birthplace that's baffling us? Her EXACT DOB is on the 1939 register.On everything she's listed as born Barrow-in-Furness in 1893-there's no record of it.Checked every Eleanor-including McKay. Her mother-Catherine was from the Isle of Man,so checked there as well.Checked all over the UK for her birth & still can't find it?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 10:11

Catherine was born Isle of Man. Wonder if Eleanor was born there too and isn't George's natural daughter

Kelzi

Kelzi Report 28 Oct 2018 10:26

I thought of that Shirley,looked for it,but still couldn't find it.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 10:46

Strange


COLENSO, FANNY MATILDA O NEILL Order
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 856

But
COLLENSO, GEORGE THOMAS KNEALE
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 843

COLLENSO, ROBERT EDWARD KNEALE
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 800

It certainly looks like somewhere along the line Eleanor wasn't reg

malyon

malyon Report 28 Oct 2018 10:50

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
Cockin Charles Colenso Barrow F. 8e 1333 Scan available - click to view
Colenso Eleanor J Cockin Barrow F. 8e 1333

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Oct 2018 10:52

Kelzi

One important thing to remember about censuses is that the stated relationship of each individual is only to the HEAD of the household.

You can't assume that his wife is the mother of all or any of the children recorded on the census.

Always look at all of the info, particularly in 1911, where extra details (years married being one of them) are given.

Hope this helps

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 Oct 2018 11:26

But they must have been living together before marriage as three of the children are reg as colenso / collenso pre 1901

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Oct 2018 11:37

I was referring principally to the OP's reference to Charles's 'parents'

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Oct 2018 12:04

Marriages Mar 1946 (>99%)
Cockin Eleanor J Fairclough Barrow F. 8e 1801
Fairclough John W Cockin Barrow F. 8e 1801

For INFO

1939

34 Lord Street , Barrow-in-Furness C.B., Lancashire, England

Eleanor J Fairclough (Cockin) 19 Nov 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 276 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


Name: Eleanor Fairclough
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1892
Registration Date: Jun 1977
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 1268

A slight discrepancy in birth date info

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Oct 2018 12:27

I think this death is more likely Erika:

Name: Eleanor J Fairclough
Death Age: 54
Birth Date: abt 1893
Registration Date: Jun 1947
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b Page: 148