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Margaret Ellen Duffy or Margaret callaghan?

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Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 16:36

Trying to find a birth/baptism of above lady. She married to Thomas byrne in 1894. On 1881 census she is down as granddaughter to Thomas Duffy aged 6. On the same household is John Duffy and Emma Duffy who I think is formerly Emma callaghan. This is in Burnley Lancashire. Her birthday is almost certainly 19 March 1875 from the 1939 census. Can anyone out there check to see if they can spot a birth. Supposedly in Bolton. Later on on some sources it seems as though Thomas Duffy was her father not her grandfather. This is noted on her wedding certificate.
I have just had a thought thT perhaps there is another son as well as grandfather named Thomas Duffy. But still does not h we lp with finding her birth on civil registration. Thanks


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 16:37

Just to add, John Duffy and Emma callaghan did not marry until 1876.


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 16:51

And also think that maybe Emma and John Duffy moved to Blackburn around 1883-1885. They may be on the 1891 census in Blackburn. John and Emma both born in the mid to late 1850,s.


ArgyllGran Report 5 Jan 2019 17:00

For our reference - middle initial probably E on the image:

Margaret G Byrne
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Margaret G Byrne
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1875
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 69 Albert St
Residence Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 169
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NFAA
Registration district: 472/1
Household Members:
Nora Byrne - 20/04/1916, later Shenton
Margaret G Byrne
Ellen Byrne - 16/07/1901, later surname Catlow


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 17:05

Marriage: 26 May 1894 St Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Thomam Byrnes -
Margarittam Helenam Duffy -
Groom's Father: Jacobi Byrnes
Bride's Father: Thomae Duffy
Witness: Richardo Marsden; Catarina Gaughan
Married by: Jacobus Morrissey
Register: Marriages 1874 - 1905, Page 281
Source: Original Parish Register


ArgyllGran Report 5 Jan 2019 17:06


Margaret E Duffy
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Margaret E Duffy
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1875
Father: Thomas Duffy
Mother: Margaret Duffy
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burnley
Residence Place: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Burnley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4
Piece: 3360
Folio: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Duffy 52
Margaret Duffy 50
John Duffy 32
Mary A Duffy 28
Bridget Duffy 24
Margaret E Duffy 16


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 17:25

what is thomas duffys occupation on the marriage cert


ArgyllGran Report 5 Jan 2019 17:27

although from the 1881 census it would seem likely that Margaret was John & Emma's daughter, the only Margaret Callaghan born 1875 (+/-2) to an unmarried mother was in Morpeth in 1976 - so not likely to be her.

I would guess she's Thomas and Margaret's daughter, and it's been the enumerator's mistake in 1881 calling her a grand-daughter. Maybe because she was so much younger than those of her siblings who were there in 1881.

Also, the baby Mary J Duffy is John & Emma's child.

For our reference:

Mary J. Duffy
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary J. Duffy
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Clitheroe
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 29 Brook St
Registration district: Clitheroe
ED, institution, or vessel: 9b
Piece: 4172
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Duffy 48
Margaret Duffy 46
John Duffy 26
Emma Duffy 24
Mary A. Duffy 23
Bridget Duffy 16
Margaret E. Duffy 6 - grand-daughter
Mary J. Duffy - grand-daughter

Mary J Duffy
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary J Duffy
Gender: Female
Age: 10
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1881
Father: John Duffy
Mother: Emma Duffy
Birth Place: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Blackburn
Residence Place: Blackburn, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Blackburn Northern
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Piece: 3395
Folio: 119A
Household Members:
Name Age
John Duffy 36
Emma Duffy 32
Mary J Duffy 10
James Duffy 8
Emma Duffy 6


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 17:38

Perhaps it woukd be good to get the gro certificate for Margaret s marriage rather than just what's on the church site


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 17:42


Baptism: 19 Sep 1875 St Alban, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Margarita Helena Duffy - filia Patritii Duffy & Helenae (formerly Wade)
Born: 19 Sep 1875
Godparents: Columkill Curran; Maria Glynn
Baptised by: Dan Allen B.A.
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1880, Page 247, Entry 1231
Source: Original Parish Register at Lancashire Archives

would you be born and baptised the same day ?
as you would need a priest there

i could be wrong


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 17:43

Still wonder why not registered birth. Can anyone find marriage if Thomas and Margaret. Can anyone check where Thomas and Margaret are born please.


ArgyllGran Report 5 Jan 2019 17:46

Looking for Thomas & Margaret's other children's births -

I can't find any consistent mms for any possible birth of any of the children, to find out Margaret senior's surname before marriage.


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 17:48

She born 19th March 1875 apparently. From the 1939 census?, how accurate coukd that be


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 17:50

Yes Duffy a common name I suppose. Think had I r ish background


ArgyllGran Report 5 Jan 2019 17:53


Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
DUFFY Margaret Liverpool 8b 450
DUFFY Thomas Liverpool 8b 450

But I can't find consistently matching births of the children.


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 18:02

Marriage: 1 Jun 1868 St Mary RC, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Patrick Duffy -
Ellen Wade -
Groom's Parents: Thomas Duffy & Ann
Bride's Parents: Michael Wade & Penella
Witness: John Mellody; Ann Duffy
Married by: R. Dunderdale
Register: Marriages 1862 - 1913, Page 54, Entry 216
Source: Original Register


Shirley Report 5 Jan 2019 18:25

Safc, don't think that Margaret elken coukd be mine unless I'm missing something. Her father is Thomas on her wedding cert. Unless he adopted her. And her birthday is degibately 19th March 1875.


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 18:40

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

35 Hannah St Blackburn Lancashire, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
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Patrick Duffy's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Duffy Head Widow Male 69 1842 Labourer Galway Ireland
Margaret Duffy Daughter Single Female 37 1874 Weaver Blackburn Lancashire xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
James Scot Son In Law Married Male 29 1882 Post Man Chorley Lancashire
Jane Scot Daughter Married Female 29 1882 Weaver Blackburn Lancashire
James Scot Grandson - Male 4 1907 - Blackburn Lancashire
Clarence Scot Grandson - Male 1 1910 - Blackburn Lancashire
William Edgar Scot Grandson - Male 8 1903 - Blackburn Lancashire

margaret still with patrick


safc Report 5 Jan 2019 18:47


Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
Duffy Margaret Liverpool 8b 101


Dea Report 5 Jan 2019 20:04

Could this be the birth of the above Margaret with mothers maiden name WADE ?

GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 354 Order

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