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Births Sep 1916
Harrington Kathleen M Kelly Fulham 1a 563
Births Sep 1917
Harrington Dorothy Kelly Fulham 1a 437
Births Mar 1920
Harrington Douglas W Kelly Fulham 1a 850

Rose

Yes, Douglas is Anne's father, who left home when she and her siblings were young, and took all family photos and documents with him.

Kathleen married 3 times and had a baby from another relationship.

Dorothy is supposed to be the former nun who murdered her lover in a motel and then committed suicide at the age of about 70, but although we have her death record we haven't found anything about the murder/suicide yet.

Still looking for proof that Agnes Mary Kelly existed before her marriage in 1916. I found an Agnes Kelly, father Michael Kelly, born in Ireland, but that was in 1886, so a few years too early. As Agnes was Roman Catholic, she might have taken the name Mary at her confirmation.

Do you have this for Dorothy?

Household (1 Person) Convent Of Our Lady Filsham Road , Hastings C.B., Sussex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Dorothy M Herrington 30 Jul 1917 Nun Lay Sister

I found it so I thought I may as well post it.

Dea x

Thank you so much for looking Dea, yes we did find that earlier, but everything helps.

???? RC, teacher, Hastings ??

Mary Harrington
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary Harrington
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1889
Registration Date: Sep 1971
Registration district: Hastings
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 897



Mary Harrington
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Mary Harrington
Age: 81
Birth Date: abt 1890
Death Date: abt 1971
Burial Date: 27 Jul 1971
Burial Place: Littlehampton, West Sussex, England
Grave number: A 420
Interment Number: 11482
Cemetery Notes: Unconsecrated
[ Image actually says RC, though that's written in the column for unconsecrated burials.]

Retired teacher.
Place of death: Maze Hill, St Leonards on Sea.


However, that doesn't help find her birth.

That Mary Harrington is/was single ?


1939 Register


Harrington Household (4 People)


4 Edith Grove , Chelsea, London, England

>>>>>>Mary Harrington 28 Nov 1889 Female Teacher Lcc Single 323 4
Eva Harrington 22 Apr 1852 Female Private Means Widowed 323 1
Ellen Harrington 11 Feb 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 323 2
Eva Harrington 22 Sep 1885 Female Teaching & Translating French Single 323

I asked Anne if Agnes might have been a teacher, her reply:

"I don't know, sorry. I know she was meant to be a great seamstress and it was rumoured (not sure if this is true) that she worked for a Parisian fashion house, so perhaps she taught it. I always had the impression she was a snob and had delusions of grandeur."

She doesn't remember visiting her grandmother after about the age of 10 (so about 1964), but as Anne's father (Agnes' son) had deserted them when Anne was about 5, she's not surprised they didn't keep in touch.

Her occupation on marriage certificate January 1916 was governess.

Those people look like they are probably the family of this marriage? :

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
HARRINGTON Thomas Marylebone 1a 1186 Scan available - click to view
Sieberger Eva Marylebone 1a 1186 Scan available - click to view


Births:
HARRINGTON, ELLEN SEIBERGER
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 665

HARRINGTON, GERTRUDE MARY SEIBERGER
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 570

HARRINGTON, MARY SEIBERGER
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 574


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HARRINGTON, EVA CATHERINE SEIBERGER
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 571

HARRINGTON, MARGARET SEIBERGER
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 544

Dea x

Dea, how have you made a connection between the above and our Harringtons? I can't see the connection yet. I have traced the Harrington line back a few generations, and don't think they fit in.

I still am leaning towards the family which you previously discounted,:

1911 Census For England & Wales
2 Greenhill Park Harlesden N W, Willesden, Middlesex, England

Michael T Kelly's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Michael T Kelly Head Married Male 59 1852 Commercial Traveller Wolverhampton
Lucy Elizabeth Kelly Wife Married Female 53 1858 - Coven Staff
Margaret Kelly Sister Single Female 54 1857 - Wolverhampton
Mary Veronica Kelly Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Certificated Mistress Willesden
Celesti Margaret Kelly Daughter Single Female 18 1893 Uncertificated Mistress Willesden
Winefrede Lucy Kelly Daughter Single Female 16 1895 - Willesden
Michael T Kelly's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

He was Michael Timothy at marriage:
Kelly Michael Timothy Wolverhampton 6b 682 Scan available - click to view
KITCHEN Lucy Elizabeth Wolverhampton 6b 682 Scan available - click to view


His occupation on the 1911 exactly fits the details on her marriage cert and as he was said to be deceased at the time of her marriage, (1916), then he must have died before that date.

This death fits that timescale and could also fit the person in the 1911 census?

Deaths Jun 1913
Kelly Michael T 61 Fulham 1a 292

KELLY, MICHAEL TIMOTHY 61
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 292

If this if the family, I strongly believe that Mary Veronica could be the 'Agnes Mary' we seek.

Can anyone find anything after the census for Mary Veronica which would disprove this so we can at least 'put this family to bed' ?

Dea x

I must admit I wondered about Mary Veronica, but somehow thought from that to Agnes Mary might be a leap too far.

I also found this:

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry M Kelly Head Married Male 30 1871 USA Commercial Traveller
Mary Kelly Wife Married Female 26 1875 USA
Elsie Kelly Daughter Single Female 2 1899 France

but again, Elsie to Agnes Mary is quite a jump.

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
KELLY Mary Veronica Kingston 2a 1179 ???

OOhhh that upset me Jan, until I realised that our' Mary Veronica is still with the family and single on the 1911 census. Phhewww ! - Still in with a chance here then!

Dea x

These are the other people on that marriage and it is also in KINGTON which is in Herefordshire.


Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
HOPE William Dyken Kington 6a 1179 Scan available - click to view
HUGHES John Kington 6a 1179 Scan available - click to view
THORBURN Mary Eleanor Kington 6a 1179 Scan available - click to view

KELLY Mary Veronica ....................

The district Kington spans the boundaries of the counties of Radnorshire and Herefordshire;


Dea x

I had wondered about Mary Veronica too, as her father seems to be the only travelling salesman named Michael Kelly that we can find.

But yes, it is a big change from Mary Veronica in 1911 to Agnes Mary just 5 years later.

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
Kelly Michael Timothy Wolverhampton 6b 682
KITCHEN Lucy Elizabeth Wolverhampton 6b 682


Mary Veronica's birth:

KELLY, MARY VERONICA mms KITCHEN
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 202

and her sister Celeste;

KELLY, CELESTE MARGARET MARY mms KITCHEN
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 173


So who is this child ??

KELLY, MARY mms KITCHEN
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 214

EDIT:
she died:

KELLY, MARY 0
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 134

Dea, afraid it's not Mary Veronica. She is on the electoral registers in Greenhill Park Willesden with her Mum and sister in 1930.

By 1935 her sisters have also adopted the name Mary into their names:

Celeste Margaret Mary Kelly
Winifride Lucy Mary Kelly

I found an Agnes M Kelly in 1911 London Electoral Register at 6 Denmark Street (offices), home address 82 Vincent Square, Westminster. I found it in the 1911 census, St. George's Hotel, a ladies' residential club - but no Agnes M Kelly.

OOhh Dratt!! Austin.

I love you dearly but you have just spoiled my day ! :-(

Back to the drawing board...........................

Dea x

Jan, you asked above:

Dea, how have you made a connection between the above and our Harringtons? I can't see the connection yet.

Re my post at 15.35.

This was in response to a 'possible' wich Choccy had just posted and I was showing that they were not 'ours' so vey probably no connection.

Dea x

Thanks Dea. I am getting overwhelmed again by the amazing help that I am getting here. I thought Anne's mother's side of the family (also Kelly, I wonder if there is a connection) was confusing, but this is getting worse.