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I am trying to find out who he married in 1893. I have put all the information I have on him on here. The marriage I have added is to a Mary Matthews.. However if you look on the gro site to check the maiden name of the children's mother she comes up as Holmes. I can't find a marriage between a Gray and a Holmes.

Tom could also be known as John Tom as shown on the 1891 census
His birth cert shows his name as Tom JOhn.
He was born June 1874 quarter. 29/05/1874 WINT.24 364 name tom

1881

Name: Tom Gray
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Event Place: Roxby Cum Risby, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Marital Status (Original): Single
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1875
Birthplace: Roxby, Lincolnshire, England
Page Number: 9
Registration Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 3286/75
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Gray Head Male 41 Hatfield Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England
Ann E Gray Wife Female 41 Bonby, Lincolnshire, England
Emily Gray Daughter Female 11 Roxby, Lincolnshire, England
Tom Gray Son Male 6 Roxby, Lincolnshire, England
Arthur Gray Son Male 2 Winterton, Lincolnshire, England

1891

John F Grey
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: John F Grey
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Parish: Belton
Ecclesiastical Parish: BELTON
Registration District: Thorne
Residence Note: Mosswood Grange
Gender: Male
Age: 16
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Farm Servant
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1875
Birthplace: Lincolnshire, England
Page Number: 2
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 3868/ 72
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Grey Head Male 50 Yorkshire, England
Anne E Grey Wife Female 50 Lincolnshire, England
John F Grey Son Male 16 Lincolnshire, England
Arthur W Grey Son Male 12 Lincolnshire, England
Thomas Grey Father Male 78 Lincolnshire, England
William Wright Servant Male 19 Yorkshire, England
George Oxtoby Servant Male 17 Yorkshire, England
John Gleadle Servant Male 15 Lincolnshire, England
Emma Briggs Servant Female 13 Lincolnshire, England

1901

Name: John T Gray
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Peterborough Within, Northamptonshire, England
County: Northamptonshire
Civil Parish: Peterborough Within
Ecclesiastical Parish: Peterborough St Mark
Sub-District: Peterborough
Registration District: Peterborough
Residence Note: Walpole Street
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Occupation: BRICKLAYER
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1876
Birthplace: Gedney, Lincolnshire
Schedule Type: 29
Page Number: 4
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John T Gray Head Male 25 Gedney, Lincolnshire
Mary A Gray Wife Female 23 Eye, Northamptonshire
Reginald T Gray Son Male 0 Peterborough


Marriage

County Lincolnshire
Place Crowle
Church name St Oswald
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 328
Marriage date 18 Sep 1893
Groom forename Tom
Groom surname GRAY
Groom age 21
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom abode Crowle
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname MATTHEWS
Bride age 24
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Crowle
Bride occupation Domestic servant
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname GRAY
Groom father occupation Farm bailiff
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname MATTHEWS
Bride father occupation Flax worker
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname MATTHEWS
Witness2 forename Ruth Ann
Witness2 surname MATTHEWS

1911

Name: John Tom Gray
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Scunthorpe, Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, England
County: Lincolnshire
Parish: Scunthorpe
Sub-District: Winterton
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Gender: Male
Age: 35
Marital Status (Original): MARRIED
Occupation: BRICKLAYER
Birth Year (Estimated): 1876
Birthplace: Gedney, Lincolnshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Line: 1
Page: 1
Years of Marriage: 12
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Tom Gray Head Male 35 Gedney, Lincolnshire
Mary Ann Gray Wife Female 31 Eye, Northamptonshire
Reginald Tom Gray Son Male 10 Petersborough, Northamptonshire
Iris Winifred Gray Daughter Female 3 Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire
Evelyn Emma Gray Daughter Female 2 Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire

Can anyone help me solve this problem please.

Thank you

1911 census says John and Mary Ann have been married 12 years. 4 children born but one has died leaving 3 still alive.

The marriage you have posted is for 1893 which was 17 years prior to that census.

Would they have been that far out in the years?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
GRAY, REGINALD TOM HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 227

GRAY, IRIS WINEFRED HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 651

GRAY, EVELYN EMME HOLMES
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 688

The marriage shows Mary Ann's father as William Mathews, so is this the correct marriage


Who is your definite relative who you are working back from?

Thanks for helping me.

I think Mary Matthews must have died and then he married Mary Ann Holmes. But I can't find a marriage for Mary Ann Holmes.

Jane

Also, Mary Ann Gray in 1911 is shown as 4 years younger than John Tom. The marriage you've posted shows Mary as 3 years older.

If John Tom was born 1874, then he wouldn't have been 21 in 1893 and he only aged 4 years between then and the 1891 census.

Perhaps a little bit of adjustment to suit getting married and fitting with an older/younger bride.

James Gray and Anne E Pickersgill are my line.

Tom John is there son

Thanks for helping me

So do you think that the census and the marriage are two different families?

I do believe the marriage between Tom and Mary Matthews is correct. The family were living in the right area at time of marriage and his dads occupation is correct.. This Holmes name is what has thrown me.

All hthe best

Jane

Possibly Mary Matthews in 1891, 2 years before the marriage , Living right place and Father William. Note she is said to be born in Somerset, not Northants as per Mary Ann 1901 & 1911

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Newbigg, Crowle, Thorne, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Matthews Head Married Male 51 1840 Flare Scutcher Somerset, England
Ruth Matthews Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Devon, England
Mary Matthews Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Domestic Servant Somerset, England
Louisa Matthews Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Lincolnshire, England
Arthur W R Matthews Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Lincolnshire, England
Alice Matthews Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Crowle, Lincolnshire, England
Wilfred Kemp Lodger Widower Male 59 1832 Flax Scutcher Yorkshire, England
John E Kemp Lodger Single Male 17 1874 Groom Yorkshire, England

Thanks

All very confusing. I will just have to keep on investigating this family.

Deleting this post so as not to confuse

Just to be clear...........

Do you mean that you have tracked back directly to James GRAY and Anne and now want to investigate their son Tom John.?

or is Tom John your direct ancestor?

That means that the Tom and Mary (Matthews) are a different couple to The one i have found on the census. Si I need to find the correct family on the census.

I think we might be getting it sorted.

thank you

Jame's Gray's dad was Thomas Gray b 1810c. Thomas Gray had a brother George b1811 and this is my direct line.

Sorry I am getting confused- Igmore the last post please

My Tree

John Gray $ Jane Tweed


Thomas Grayb 1811/ Sarah thornhill b 1810 James Gray b 1803/Ann Atkin b

James Gray/ Ann elizabet Pickersgill John Gray/ Hannah Walker

Sorry I can put lines in so I hope you understand it.

Jane

Thats not helping either.

Thomas had a brother James b 1803 (James is my Line)

Thomas also had a son James b 1840 who married Ann Pickersgill
They had a son Tom John b 1874 (Who is the person i am looking into. on this thread)

My James b 1803 married Ann Atkin.

Tom John Gray's life and death

Name: Tom John Gray
Registration Year: 1874
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Glanford Brigg

Marriages Sep 1893 (>99%)

Gray Tom Thorne 9c 1003
Matthews Mary Thorne 9c 1003


GRAY, EDITH (MMN) MATTHEWS
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in DONCASTER Volume 09C Page 798

GRAY, FRED (MMN) MATTHEWS
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in DONCASTER Volume 09C Page 855

Name: Tom John Gray
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 24
Registration district: Doncaster

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 No Image
Name: Edith Gray
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1894
Baptism Place: Doncaster, York, England
Father: Thomas John Gray
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 1545684

Name: Edith Gray
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: North Evetes Staton Yorks Harrogate
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Waitress (Hotel)
Registration district: Knaresborough
Registration District Number: 489
Sub-registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 25913
Household Members:
Name Age
James Jackson Busby 51
Mary Ann Busby 44
Cecil Elsey 26
Kathleen Francis Quston 33
Jane Williams 75
May Mudd 23
Edith Gray 17

Mary re-married

Name: Fred Gruy
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Stepson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Benwell
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address: 132 Buddle Rd Benwell Newcastle On Tyne
Occupation: School
Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Registration District Number: 558
Sub-registration district: Benwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 30546
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest Wilson 32
Mary Wilson 40
Florence Victoria Wilson 9
William Edward Wilson 7
Harry Wilson 5
Norman Wilson 1
Fred Gruy 13



WILSON, NORMAN (MMN) MATTHEWS
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page

Thank you ErikaH

I think you have sorted the problem out for me.

All the best

Jane

Thank you.