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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2019 13:59

This might help................

Name: George Edward Batty
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
Search Photos: Search for 'Sculcoates' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 50 York Street Wincolmlee Hull
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Earles Ship Yard (Labourer)
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration District Number: 521
Sub-registration district: East Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 28696
Household Members:
Name Age
James Percy Goodman 60
Francis Goodman 63 Married 2 years
George Edward Batty 14

Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%)
BIBBY Frances Sculcoates 9d 251
GOODMAN James Pearson Sculcoates 9d 251

This COULD be the boy's birth

BATTY, GEORGE EDWARD BOYD WITTY
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 118

1939
2 Irene Avenue Durham Street, Kingston-Upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England
George E B Batty 18 May 1896 Male Oil Millers Pressman Heavy Worker Married 58 1
Emily Batty 16 Sep 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 58 2
John E B Batty 23 May 1922 Male Oil Mill Labourer Heavy Worker Single 58 3


First name(s) George Edward
Last name Batty
Birth year 1896
Birth day 18
Birth month May
Address 50, York Street, Wincolmlee, Hull
Service number R/5067
Service Royal Naval Division
National Archives Reference ADM339
Record set Royal Naval Division Service Records 1914-1920
Names grandmother as his N.O.K.

Height: 5'5"
Hair: Fair
Eyes: Blue

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2019 14:10

Yorkshire Baptisms

First name(s) George Edward Boyd
Last name Batty
Birth year 1896
Birth date 18 May 1896
Baptism year 1896
Baptism date 03 Jun 1896
Baptism place Hull, St Mark
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Frank
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Sophia
County Yorkshire (East Riding)


First name(s) GEORGE EDWARD B
Last name BATTY
Gender Male
Birth day 18
Birth month 5
Birth year 1896
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1972
District Hull
County Yorkshire
Volume 2A
Page 416

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Apr 2019 15:31

Re Bessie /Elizabeth's possible death 1938 Kensington - yes, I'd looked at that and thought it was probably the right one.

But not the 1921 marriage, unless they were living together before that as man and wife - they're together on 1919 ER.

But I've completely lost track of all these Franks, and have no idea if Bessie is relevant or not!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Apr 2019 15:34

If the OP returns, perhaps she will enlighten us

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!

Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 25 Apr 2019 01:24

Death?

Deaths Mar 1958
BATTY Francis 82 Marylebone 5d 443

Probate site keeps returning N surnames when I search for Batty.

Rose

Scott

Scott Report 25 Apr 2019 01:58

Thank you all for your time and interest I'm still No wiser I will. take your comments and study them for a while. Thanks again.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2019 09:16

What are you trying to find out?


Is the marriage to Sophia the right man? One assumes that the person who asked you to get help has some info about the man’s parents, at least

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Apr 2019 12:49

There's a probate 1967 Frank Batty admin to widow Florence,

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

I've not looked for more info on marriage etc, age at death would match the original birth year given

Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%)
Batty Frank 72 Eastbourne 5h 243

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2019 13:40

A person born in October 1895 would not be 72 until October 1967

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Apr 2019 13:58

True but the birth year is only as good as the informant's knowledge.

Probably not the right one anyway, if the marriage in 1933 is them, ( edit no it isn't) but it's all guess work without more info on who his parents were.

Deaths Mar 1981 (>99%)
BATTY FLORENCE 8AP1892 EASTBOURNE 18 794

EDIT :
This is that couple in 1939 albeit the birth date for Florence is a day out,

Batty Household (4 People)
2 Ejector Works Cotttages Churchdale Road , Eastbourne C.B., Sussex, England


Florence Batty 09 Apr 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 317 2
Frank Batty 01 Oct 1894 Male Sewage Works Manager Married 317 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Jean E Batty 09 Aug 1926 Female At School Single 317 4

Jean's mmn Goodwin

marriage Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Batty Frank Goodwin Leicester 7a 705
Goodwin Florence Batty Leicester 7a 705

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Apr 2019 14:48

Until the OP gives answers about the info posted for the one born 2/10/1875, we're simply guessing

As she has records from her friend's grandfather, there must be more known about him than we've been told.

Scott

Scott Report 27 Apr 2019 02:16

Thank you all for your time and interest Here is an update I have been in touch with Adrian Batty who's grandfather it is who we are looking for Frank Batty b. 2/10 /1875 13 Kirby Street Hull m. Sophie Biddy b. 1874 Newcastle They had 2 children George Edward Boyd Batty 1896-1972 and Francis Batty 1898-1900. Sophie died 1908.Then Frank disappears. and then turns up again on 1939 census m. to Maisie Batty mmn. Not Known. Not sure what Maisie could be short for. Sorry did not expect you all to be so kind Thank You Frank's father was Daniel Batty and his mother Elizabeth Stokell.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Apr 2019 09:15

So the info up to the marriage to Sophia is the right man and was already known. As were the names of their children!

Rambling asked in her very first response if you knew his parents’ names........


Maisie is a name in its own right.

No proof he was married to her.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Apr 2019 11:27

We know he didn't die in the Blitz, as he was still at 25 Lockton Street in 1955.

He'd left there by 1958, which seems to be the next record of Lockton Street, Kensington, on the ER, at least per Ancestry.

If his birth was definitely in 1875, and not 1895, by 1955 he was 80.

The only death I can see after 1955, of the right age, is this one:

Deaths Jun 1965 (>99%)
BATTY FRANK 90 Bury 10b 794

As he was estranged from his family, I suppose he could have been living anywhere - but there was a Frank Batty born 1875 in Stockport, so maybe that's his death.


EDIT:

Or maybe this one, which may be more likely re location - if the informant thought his name was really Francis:

Deaths Mar 1957 (>99%)
BATTY Francis 83 Hull 2a 220


(Apologies if already posted. I thought someone had already posted this death, but now I can't see it on the thread.)

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Apr 2019 11:54

The Frank Batty in Stockport married Eliza Ann Bowker 1896 ( she was born 1878 as far as I can see) but they seem to disappear also lol



BATTY, ELIZABETH BOWKER
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 20
BATTY, FLORENCE BOWKER
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 11
BATTY, HANNAH BOWKER
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 23
BATTY, HANNAH BOWKER
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 08A Page 7

John W 1896

The 2 Hannahs died as babies

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Apr 2019 12:03

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Hyde Road Pine Street, Bredbury, Stockport, Cheshire, England


Frank Batty Head Married Male 25 1876 Tyre Rubber Worker Hyde, Cheshire, England
Eliza A Batty Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Woodley, Cheshire, England
John A Batty Son - Male 4 1897 - Woodley, Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Batty Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Woodley, Cheshire, England
Florence Batty Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Woodley, Cheshire, England

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Apr 2019 12:06


1911 Census For England & Wales
9 Clarence Street Market Harborough, Great Bowden, Leicestershire, England

Frank Batty Head Married Male 35 1876 Rubber Worker Mill Hand Hyde Cheshire
Eliza Amor Batty Wife Married Female 33 1878 - Woodley Cheshire
John William Batty Son - Male 14 1897 Twine Maker Woodley Cheshire
Elizabeth Batty Daughter - Female 13 1898 School Woodley Cheshire
Florence Batty Daughter - Female 11 1900 School Woodley Cheshire
Caroline Batty Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Hyde Cheshire

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Apr 2019 12:15

same Frank in Bury 1939 so probably the Bury death is his.


Batty household

Frank Batty 24 Apr 1875 Male Fish & Chip Business Own Married 229 1
Eliza A Batty 14 Jan 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 229 2
Elizabeth Batty 14 Aug 1897 Female Kitcher Maid - Large Retail St Single 229 3
Caroline Bland (Batty) 27 Nov 1903 Female Drawer Cotton Spinning Single 229 4

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Apr 2019 12:30

A third possible death is the 1958 Marylebone one posted by Rose.

EDIT:
But if we discount the Bury one, that seems to bring it down to Hull 1957 or Marylebone 1958

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Apr 2019 13:46

Very much a guess but not finding any matching birth for Maisie, there are a couple of Maisies in Kensington in the electoral rolls for 1938 eg Byrne and O'Rourke who don't appear in the 1939 register or to have married. 'If' as the name suggests they were Irish they might have gone back home after the war had started? Not that this helps with Frank!