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Sylann

Sylann Report 9 Oct 2019 13:46

Hi
Sorry I've been doing my tree for years but I've never managed to grasp how to get a census with an address
I have a William Thomas Earley getting married in 1880 at St Andrew Manchester he is 20 address 29 Brown St
Marring Elizabeth Cook 18 of 27 Brown St
Think William Thomas was Illegitimate as no father on his birth or on his Marriage certificate his mother is down as Ann ?

Could some one find Brown St 1881 think it could be in the Ardwick area as Thomas & Elizabeth are their in 1881

Thank you

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Oct 2019 14:29

is this eilizabeth family 1881

George Cook Head Married Male 40 1841 Bolt Forger Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Cook Wife Married Female 37 1844 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Martha Ann Cook Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Cotton Weaver Manchester, Lancashire, England ---- witness at wedding
Sarah Cook Daughter Single Female 9 1872 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
George Henry Cook Son Single Male 7 1874 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Cook Son Single Male 3 1878 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Alice Ann Williams Boarder Single Female 15 1866 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

19, Heaton Street, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Oct 2019 14:30

One below...

Chris :)

Baptism: 20 Oct 1861 St Aloysius, Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Gulielmus Thomas Earley - filius Georgii Howley & Hannae
Born: 1 Oct 1861
Godparents: Scholes Scholes; Maria A. Smyth
Notes: [surname is written Early but has been copied into the margin as Corby]
Baptised by: Edmundo Hogan Miss. Apos.
Register: Baptisms 1858 - 1863, Page 113
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives


(if below, covers Ardwick)

Birth
EARLEY, WILLIAM THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 482

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
EARLEY William Thomas EARLEY Ardwick Archives+, Manchester Central Library

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Cook Elizabeth Manchester 8d 287
Earley Thomas William Manchester 8d 287


(looking at Marriage image (FMP) would say below was Witness. Children Births, give MCCulloch, Maiden Name)

1881
Peter Leigh Head Married Male 56 1825 Millwright Bolton, Lancashire, England
Hannah Leigh Wife Married Female 53 1828 Draper Manchester, Lancashire, England
Arthur Leigh Son Single Male 25 1856 Insurance Clerk Manchester, Lancashire, England
John D Leigh Son Single Male 23 1858 Warehouseman Manchester, Lancashire, England
Anna Leigh Daughter Single Female 21 1860 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Elizth Lee Servant Single Female 21 1860 Domestic Servant Shifnal, Shropshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Oct 2019 14:46

The 1881 you mention, for info -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Cowells Bdgs, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William T Earley Head Married Male 19 1862 Paster For Calender Prints Ardwick, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Earley Wife Married Female 19 1862 Cotton Weaver Manchester, Lancashire, England
William T Earley's Census Details

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Oct 2019 14:55

No idea what month of Marriage, but there was below...

Chris :)

February 1881 - Sheffield Independent - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
James Rayner, umbrella maker, 27, Brown street, Ardwick, Manchester...

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Oct 2019 15:02

Brown Street's showing up on 1881 -

Manchester RD Parish Manchester and

Chorlton RD, Parish Withington

and that's as far as I get on FMP as the Error 500 WHOOPS something went wrong at our end message now keeps coming up

The census I posted shows them to be in Ardwick, Chorlton

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Oct 2019 15:07

1881
Edward Rayner Head Married Male 54 1827 Store Keeper Hyde, Cheshire, England
Mary Rayner Wife Married Female 45 1836 House Wife Manchester, Lancashire, England
James Rayner Son Single Male 25 1856 Weaver Manchester, Lancashire, England
Stephen Rayner Son Single Male 18 1863 Moulder Iron Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah Rayner Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Umberella Maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jabez Rayner Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Rayner Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Emma Rayner Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Henry Rayner Son Single Male 4 1877 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

27, Brown Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Sylann

Sylann Report 9 Oct 2019 15:22

Thank you for that They married in 1880 so I thought the parents might have still be there
There name does seem to alter Earley -Hurley
I'll have a look o see if those are Elizabeth parents it Thomas I am interested in
The Baptism Chris has put on looks good not sure about the names Hanna could be Ann
Is it in Latin?

Sylann

Sylann Report 9 Oct 2019 15:24

Yes the census for the Cook family fits on the marriage certificate Elizabeths father is George a bolt maker

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Oct 2019 15:32

(info. regarding Church of Baptism)

Chris :)

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Ardwick/staloysius/index.html

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Ardwick/StAloysius

Baptisms
filius son of similarly, male names often end in ‘us’

https://www.freereg.org.uk/cms/information-for-transcribers/latin-words-to-recognise


Edits (and below, the Godparent)

1861
Scholes Scholes Head Married Male 45 1816 Plasterer And Painter Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Scholes Wife Married Female 50 1811 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Scholes Scholes Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Labourer In Paper Mill Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ann Scholes Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1846 Binder In Cotton Mill Manchester, Lancashire, England
10, Ashton Road, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire

Sylann

Sylann Report 9 Oct 2019 15:50

Thanks Chris I've just been looking at the baptism om Lancashire...…..
The first bit is means William I've seen that before but it's the next bit fillius Georgii Howel & Hannae does that mean his parents??

It would seem we have Earley-Hurley now Howley could they be transcription errors but then Corby in the margin?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 9 Oct 2019 16:35

Would get the Birth Cert., see what it says, also address...

Chris :)

Edits
(your reference to his Mother down as Ann, where is this from?, if the Birth Cert., what address is there)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Oct 2019 16:41

Earley / Hurley / Howley are just variations depending on how the clerk thought it sounded and ought to be spelled.

If the family members were illiterate, they wouldn't know how to spell it in any case.

Sylann

Sylann Report 15 Oct 2019 11:23

Got the birth certificate
District Chorlton Ardwick 21 Sept 1861 William Thomas Boy mother Ann Earley mother signed with a cross address 5 Lyons court Ardwick registered 19 October 1861

So if any one can find out who lived at 5 lyons court 1861 please
my luck they won't be there

Thank you

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Oct 2019 11:47

Looks to be below (unless there is another)...(1861 Census taken 7th April)

Chris :)

1861
Patrick Connon (Connor) Head Married Male 32 1829 Tailor Ireland
Margaret Connon Wife Married Female 31 1830 Tailoress Ireland
Edward Connon Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Connon Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah A Connon Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
5, Lyons Court, Manchester, Lancashire,

Sylann

Sylann Report 15 Oct 2019 12:12

Thank you Chris

I can get that one up and check the streets round it
I've a feeling she might have come from Ireland ?? unmarried mother

it gives me some thing to go off

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Oct 2019 12:13

I think that may be a different Lyons Court.

Patrick Connor's neighbour Elizabeth Manchester at 1 Lyons court is still there in 1871 and 1881.

Ardwick isn't mentioned on Elizabeth's records in any of those three census years

Elizabeth Manchester
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Manchester
Age: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 1 Lyons Court
Marital status: Widow
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: St George


However, Ardwick is stated specifically in other people's records in 1861, 1871, and 1881.
For example only - picking one from each year, entirely at random:

Sarah Ellen Sowerby
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah Ellen Sowerby
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: 1837
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick

Mary Burgess
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Burgess
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: 1823
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Chorlton Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick

Ada Podmore
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ada Podmore
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Gender: Female
Where born: Hulme Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 11 Mewitt Street
Occupation: Home Work
Registration district: Chorlton

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Oct 2019 12:18

In order to see the surrounding streets, here's 5 Lyons Court, Ardwick, in1881:


Edmund Edge
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edmund Edge
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Edge
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ardwick
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Lyons Court
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Cabman
Registration district: Chorlton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Piece: 3899
Folio: 47
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Edge 28
Elizabeth Edge 28

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Oct 2019 12:30

And here's 5 Lyons (spelled Lion) Court (next to Wright Street as in that 1881 record above) in 1861:

George Hailey
in the 1861 England Census
Name: George Hailey
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Hailey
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 5 Lion Court
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 2870
Folio: 120
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hailey 38
Mary Hailey 40
Ann Hailey 21 - daughter, cotton weaver, Stockport, Lancs.



Could Hailey be yet another variation of the name?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Oct 2019 12:48

Looks good there AG (I seem to have a 'viewed before' tick on FMP)

(never sure of places in Manchester, me, lol, a big place!)

Chris :)

1861
George Hailey Head Married Male 38 1823 Labourer Ireland
Mary Hailey Wife Married Female 40 1821 House Keeper Ireland
Ann Hailey Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1840 Cotton Weaver Stockport, Lancashire, England
5, Lion Court, Ardwick, Chorlton, Lancashire


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1840 to 1845

EARLY Ann HANLEY Stockport First Stockport ST1/7/50

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(no idea on above, but as it came up!)

Birth
EARLY, ANN HANLEY
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in STOCKPORT Volume 19 Page 285