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WHERE IS JOHN GIBBONS in 1871?:and LUCY STALLARD

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Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 30 Oct 2019 17:50

John Gibbons born c.1842 in Kings Sutton, Northants. Son of Charles and Ann. Got him in 1851/61/81 without difficulty. Have his death and burial details plus grisly inquest details!
BUT WHERE IS HE IN 1871, please?
Thank you.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Oct 2019 18:04

Was he married

Where was he in 1881 .?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Oct 2019 18:05

Did he marry?

Where was he living in 1881?

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 30 Oct 2019 18:14

Ooooooooooh, well he didn't ACTUALLY marry! He and his not wife shared the same surname of Gibbons and never married; neither did on of their daughters. But we know all this.

In 1871, the family are living at 13 Landseer Street, Battersea, London. His pob is given as Banbury, Oxon but it is DEFINITELY him.

Does this help?

Kay????

Kay???? Report 30 Oct 2019 18:43



Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name:
John Gibbons
Age:
28
Estimated birth year:
1843
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Daventry Northamptonshire England
Civil Parish:
Chester
County/Island:
Cheshire
Country:
England
Registration district:
Chester
Sub-registration district:
Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel:
Chester Castle Barracks
Household schedule number:
1
Piece:
3724
Folio:
44
Page Number:
8
Household Membe

a soldier.?

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 30 Oct 2019 18:45

Thank you, but nope! He was a Coachman/Groom all the way through to his death.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2019 18:51

for our reference:

John Gibbons
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Gibbons
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Eliza E. Gibbons
Gender: Male
Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 13 Landseer St
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Coachman (Domestic Servant)
Registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 54
Neighbors:
Piece: 649
Folio: 93
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gibbons 39
Eliza E. Gibbons 37
Emily K. Gibbons 5
Eleanor Gibbons

malyon

malyon Report 30 Oct 2019 20:04

John Gibbons
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:
John Gibbons
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1882
Registration District:
Lambeth
County:
London
Event Place:
Lambeth, London, England
Age:
40
Birth Year (Estimated):
1842
Volume:
1D
Page:
230
Affiliate Line Number:
162

malyon

malyon Report 30 Oct 2019 20:12

this could be eliza in 1891

Eleanor Gibbons
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
Eleanor Gibbons
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
County:
London
Parish:
Kensington
Ecclesiastical Parish:
ST LUKE REDCLIFFE SQUARE
Registration District:
Kensington
Gender:
Female
Age:
13
Occupation:
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated):
1878
Birthplace:
London, England
Page Number:
45
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
31/ 170
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Eliza Gibbons Head Female 47 London, England
Emily K Gibbons Daughter Female 15 London, England
Eleanor Gibbons Daughter Female 13 London, England
Annie Gibbons Daughter Female 10 London, England

Catherine

Catherine Report 30 Oct 2019 22:47

maybe he didn't marry Eliza because he was already married????

Name: John Gibbons
Gender: Male
Occupation: Groom
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1865
Marriage Place: St Paul, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: Charles Gibbons
Occupation: Tailor
Spouse: Lucy Stallard
Register Type: Parish Register

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 30 Oct 2019 22:59

Yes!! Thank you. Apologies for the delay getting back to this - a minor domestic emergency involving a cat intervened ……………… !!
:-D

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Oct 2019 23:37

I can't see Lucy and her father William (coach builder) in earlier censuses.

malyon

malyon Report 31 Oct 2019 12:38

Lucy Stallard
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Lucy Stallard
Residence Place:
Brighton, Sussex, England
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
26 Feb 1831
Christening Date (Original):
26 Feb 1831
Christening Place:
St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England
Father's Name:
William Stallard
Mother's Name:
Mary Stallard

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2019 14:51

That Lucy's father father died before appearing on censuses, so we don't know his occupation.

However, she doesn't seem to be on censuses after 1861, so the 1865 marriage may well be hers:

Lucy with siblings but no parents in 1841:

Lucy Stallard
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Lucy Stallard
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighthelmstone
Hundred: Brighthelmstone
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
Neighbors:
Piece: 1121
Book: 2
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Stallard 20
James Stallard 18
George Stallard 12
Lucy Stallard 9
Edward Stallard 8
Richard Mockford 75


With mother (widow) and brother in 1851:

Lucy Stallard
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Lucy Stallard
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Stallard
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Brighthelmstone
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 96
Piece: 1645
Folio: 87
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Stallard 55
George Stallard 23
Lucy Stallard 19
Charllotte Langbrige 19 - visitor


Lucy Stallard
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Lucy Stallard
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: 1832
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: N
Civil Parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: Kemp Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 592
Folio: 105
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Batchelor 57
Jane Batchelor 41
Lucy Stallard 29

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2019 15:00

Possibly William's death:

William Stallard
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: William Stallard
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 16 Jan 1834
Burial Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
FHL Film Number: 1067132
Reference ID: pg179 ln1427

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Oct 2019 15:11

Age a few years out ??


Lucy Gibbons
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lucy Gibbons
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 70
Registration district: Brighton
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 159

Maddie

Maddie Report 31 Oct 2019 15:24

could thi be the lucy from the marriage
1871
Name: Lucy Gibbons
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Brighton
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 256
Piece: 641
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredk Farmer 26
Emily Farmer 25
Emely Farmer 4
Calia Farmer 5/12
Lucy Gibbons 36 ---- marrried

Name: Lucy Stallard
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1865
Marriage Place: St Paul, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: William Stallard ---------- coach uilder
Spouse: John Gibbons
Register Type: Parish Register

Nicola'S

Nicola'S Report 16 Oct 2020 22:40

I'm returning to this post on behalf of my cousin.

I've found Lucy's possible burial in a Common Grave in 1885 but she could also be the death above found by ArgyllGran.

But I cannot find her in the 1881 census which would be a big help. Can anyone see her, please?
:-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 17 Oct 2020 12:42

What was the location of the burial in 1885? How old was the deceased?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 17 Oct 2020 13:06

The 1885 burial might be this death ??

Deaths Mar 1885 (>99%)
Gibbins Lucy 50 Wandsworth 1d 390

If so, I think that's this woman:

Lucy Gibbins
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Lucy Gibbins
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Joseph Gibbins
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 6A Cavendish Grove
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors:
Piece: 605
Folio: 149
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gibbins 34 - House painter
Lucy Gibbins 46
Lucy E. Gibbins 14
Alice Gibbins 9


By 1891, Joseph is with another partner, Elizabeth Tilley. Married 1888.

Surname is variously Gibbons, Gibbon, Gibbin, Gibbins, Gribbin


Lucye Gribbin
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Lucye Gribbin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: 1839
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone Middlesex England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub-registration District: Lambeth Church First
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Schedule Number: 415
Piece: 659
Folio: 28
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gribbin 27 - clothiers assistant
Lucye Gribbin 32
Lucy E Gribbin 4

Joseph's a house painter from 1871 census onwards - 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911.
By 1911 he's married Elizabeth's sister (presumably) - Isabella Tilley. Married Dec qr 1907.