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Re the name Janet on Alexander's death cert -

Who was the informant?
Any info would depend on what the informant knew (or thought they knew) - not necessarily correct.

ADDED:
I've had a look - the informant was Alexander's grandson, who may very well not have known accurately what his great-grandmother's name was.

A Brother of Robert...

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

County Ayrshire
Place Dunlop
Church name Church of Scotland Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 24 Jan 1830
Baptism date 31 Jan 1830
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename Alexr
Father surname WATT
Mother surname STEVENSON
Person abode Longton


County Ayrshire
Place Dunlop
Church name Church of Scotland Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 04 Jul 1831
Baptism date 24 Jul 1831
Person forename Robert
Person sex M
Father forename Alexr
Mother forename Marion
Father surname WATT
Mother surname STEVENSON
Person abode Langton


County Ayrshire
Place Dunlop
Church name Church of Scotland Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 03 Mar 1829
Groom forename Alexr
Groom surname WATT
Groom occupation Wright
Bride forename Marion
Bride surname STEVENSON
Bride parish Neilston


(another about!)

County Ayrshire
Place Dunlop
Church name Church of Scotland Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Birth date 25 Jun 1828
Person forename Robert
Person sex M
Father forename Alexr
Mother forename Agnes
Father surname WATT
Mother surname WATT
Person abode Mosside


County Ayrshire
Place Dunlop
Church name Church of Scotland Parish Church
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 16 Feb 1826
Groom forename Alexr
Groom surname WATT
Groom occupation Farmer
Bride forename Agnes
Bride surname WATT

Not yet proved that the Robert in question was born in Scotland. Census returns for him in 1881 and later say he was born in England

There's no Robert Watt aged 78-82 anywhere in Scotland in 1911.

Nor did he die in Scotland.
I've used some credits and looked at the two Robert Watt deaths of the right age, 1901-1930 - neither of them is the right man.

One's in East Kilbride, a farmer, single, parents James Watt & Margaret Browning. Informant: brother Gavin.

The other died in Stromness - so not likely in any case!.
Widower of Isabella McGregor.
A coach hirer. Parents James Watt & Betsy Oag.

If he died in England, this is the only death (1901-30) which matches what his age would be - assuming the informant got it right:

Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
WATT Robert 75 Durham 10a 234


Robert Watt
in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name: Robert Watt
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 13 Jan 1906
Burial Place: Durham, Durham, England
FHL Film Number: 2104078
Reference ID: p336

Having read through the thread, for what it's worth, I agree with ErikaH. There is no evidence to prove that Robert was born in Scotland. Also as no marriage or death certificate has been found, I don't see how anyone knows his parents' names.

Given the age difference between Robert and Mary, perhaps he wasn't free to marry her.

I think it may be necessary to trawl through earlier census to try to identify him before he was with Mary.

If it is known where Mary was buried, it may be worth finding out who is buried in the same grave.

In 1871, Robert also gives his birthplace as England but a birth year of 1841.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Kirk Close, Dalry, Ayrshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Robert Watt Head Married Male 30 1841 Labourer England
Mary Watt Wife Married Female 24 1847 - Glasgow, Ayrshire, Scotland

Is this not the death of Robert son of Alexander Watt and Marion Stevenson?

Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Year Ref RD Name Image View
WATT
ROBERT
25
STEVENSON
1856
599/ 76
Kilwinning


I'm struggling to see where you have got the names of your Robert's parents. Can you tell us please where you found their names? I'm just a little concerned that you are following the wrong Watt family backwards from your Robert.

There’s a baptism on SP which is the source of the ‘info’. It has obviously been latched onto after the census was found showing a birthplace of Dunlop, but without any corroboration.

Your 1871 makes more sense in view of the man’s occupation

When you look at Robert on the 1901 census on Ancestry, Ancestry suggests that he's the Robert with father Alexander in 1841.

Either Lindsey or her friend has assumed that that's correct, instead of just a suggestion.

But even then, that's not the Robert whose mother was Marion - he's another Robert , born 1829, with mother Agnes.

Just to complete the census set of Robert Watt with parents Alexander and Marion.

BUT as I noted on Page 1 of this thread - Robert shows as born England on the census with wife Mary.

Lindsey you need to tell us how you / your friend got back to the family with any certainty. What do you know for sure with what proof.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Corsehill, Kilwinning, Ayrshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Alexander Watt Male 40 1801 Ayrshire, Scotland
Marion Watt Female 35 1806 Ayrshire, Scotland
John Watt Male 11 1830 Ayrshire, Scotland
Robert Watt Male 9 1832 Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Watt Female 7 1834 Ayrshire, Scotland
Alexander Watt Male 3 1838 Ayrshire, Scotland
James Watt Male 0 1841 Ayrshire, Scotland

My gut feeling is that Alexander and Marion Watt are not the correct family for your Robert Watt and that it's pointless adding their ancestors to your Robert's tree.

In my opinion, you need to checkout the other Watts in Ayrshire to see if any of them also give a birthplace of England. I think that without a marriage or death for your Robert it may prove impossible to determine his parents. It may also be worth looking at the original image (on Scotlandspeople) to double check on Robert's age and place of birth (you never know, it may give a county).

When was this Death of Alexander, and Address? (apologies if I've missed it somewhere!)

Chris :)

Thank you
Mary died aged 51 in 1900 the family in Stevenson is them I’m sure as John their son born in 1887 is our link.
Their son a John was born at Ardeer so am sure it’s them in 1881 in Stevenson
Roberts occupation in 1887 is a labourer plasterer.
I have found a newspaper article of Robert Watt a labourer assaulting his wife Mary Halbert in Stevenson.
The marriage for Alexander Watt and Marion Stevenson is for Dunlop in the Parish of Nielston.
Janet watt appears on Alexander Watts death record in 1884 as him mother

Lindsey, I think we need to know where you have found proof that Alexander Watt and Marion Stevenson are connected to your Robert Watt. At the moment, as I understand it, no one else has been able to find the connection.

Have you found Robert Watt born ENGLAND with any of his family on census records prior to 1871 please?

1894 Newspaper article says...assaulted his wife, Mary Halbert or Watt...

Chris :)

1891
Robert Watt Head Married Male 60 1831 Foundry Labourer England
Mary Watt Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Janet Watt Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1874 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Mary Watt Daughter - Female 15 1876 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Sarah Watt Daughter - Female 14 1877 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Thomas Watt Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Ayrshire, Scotland
George Watt Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Ayrshire, Scotland
John Watt Son - Male 4 1887 - Ayrshire, Scotland
David Watt Son - Male 0 1891 - Ayrshire, Scotland
Townhead Street, Stevenston, Ayrshire, Scotland

Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald 08 June 1894

This is the article about Robert Watt, labourer of Main Street, Stevenston striking his wife.


Daughter Janet's birth.

Janet
Last name Watt
Gender Female
Birth year 1873
Birth place Ardrossan,Ayr,Scotland
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Watt
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Halbert

Just for the record -

the sons Thomas, George and David in 1901:

David Watt
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: David Watt
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Stevenston, Ayr
Registration Number: 615
Registration district: Stevenston
Civil Parish: Stevenston
Town: Stevenston
County: Ayrshire
Address: Line Kn Rd
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 97
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_237
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Sommerville 33
Janet F Sommerville 24
Mary F Sommerville 6
Janet F Sommerville 5
Agnes F Sommerville 3
John F Sommerville 2 Mo
Thomas H Watt 18
George Watt 16
David Watt 11

Chris, you asked about Alexander's death:


Alexander Watt, joiner journeyman, married to Marion Stevenson.
1884, February 9th, 10hrs 5min a.m., at Pathfoot, Kilwinning.
84 years.
Parents: John Watt, mason, deceased. Janet Watt, ms Wylie, deceased.
Cause of death: natural decay.
Informant: Alexander Watt, grandson, Eglinton Iron Works, Kilwinning.


WATT
ALEXANDER
84
1884
599/ 14
Kilwinning



Lindsey -
there is no documentary evidence that the Robert in 1871, 1881, 1891, 1891, born England in all of them, is the Robert who is the son of Alexander and Marion.
And RG has shown what seems very likely to be the death of A&M's son in 1856.

(thankyou AG, just in case there was anything newspapers!. Grandson seems to have been Clerk in Iron Works on 1891, 1901 with Mary)

Chris :)

(as said, without the Marriage, no way of knowing for sure the Father of Robert...Tricky!)