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LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 11:41

Can anyone please tell me if Asylums filled out a census , thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 12:00

Yes, hospitals of any sort generally did, but often only patients' initials were given, not full names.
It varies from one census to another.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 19 Mar 2020 12:04

Are you trying to find someone in particular?

Kath. x

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 12:07

Yes Kathleen he is Richard Kyffin Evans born 1859 in Ellesmere Shropshire. We have newspaper reports that he was taken to Gloucester Asylum in 1899 but cannot find any trace of him after that.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Mar 2020 13:01

I've checked GlosBMD for possible death registered in Gloucester from 1899 to 1936 - nothing.

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 13:49

I have looked for him there too Erika and had no luck whatsoever

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 14:32

A private tree on Ancestry says he died Dec 1926, but as I can't see the tree I don't know where, or if they offer any proof.

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 14:36

Thank you for that. I know who owns the tree but I will not contact them due to a family rift and also they are well known to have wrong facts by the dozen. Also only death I can find registered for that year is way out age wise

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 14:45

Is this your message, or the other person's, on Curious Fox ?

EVANS, Richard Kyffin and John Tilston
Seeking info on fates of Richard Kyffin EVANS (b 15/8/1859, Ellesmere, Shrops)and his brother John Tilston EVANS (b 10/10/1862 Holloway London), eldest sons of Richard Humphrey EVANS (Cotton Merchant b 1830 Hindley, Lancs) and his wife Mary Evans (Nee Tilston b 1836, Ellesmere)who had 9 chidren in all. The eldest boys "disappeared" after 1881 census when they were at home with the family at 3 Marlboro' Road, St John, Upper Holloway. Unable to trace marriages or deaths. Possible family connections in Ellesmere, Shrops, Liverpool and Brazil. Any help much appreciated.

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 15:09

That is the person who is sharing research with me and not the other person in question with the private tree

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Mar 2020 16:42

possible for brother John Tilston Evans

Name: John T Evans
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Bromley, London, England, United Kingdom
County: London, Middlesex
Civil Parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bromley St Michael & All Angels
Sub-District: Bromley
Registration District:Poplar
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Occupation: Galvanizer
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1862
Birthplace: Poplar, London
Schedule Type: 198
Page Number: 30
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John T Evans Head Male 39 Poplar, London
Ellen Evans Wife Female 28 Poplar, London
Sophie Turner Sister-In-Law Female 23 Poplar, London
Annie Turner Sister-In-Law Female 21 Stepney, London
...........................

Name: John Evans
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 26
Occupation: Galvaniser
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1873
Marriage Date: 21 May 1899
Marriage Place: All Hallows, Poplar, Tower Hamlets, England

Father: John Evans

Spouse: Ellen Turner
Register Type: Parish Register

Thought the 1901 census may be brother but his marriage shows that the father of this John T. Evans was called John so can't be your man.

Will leave for elimination

Catherine

Catherine Report 19 Mar 2020 16:44

Could this be him in 1901?

Name: J T Evans
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Search Photos: Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Peckham House. Lunatic Asylum

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Single

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: Peckham House
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 503
Folio: 81
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 1

Noted as Lunatic

Maddie

Maddie Report 19 Mar 2020 16:47

John Tilston
Last name Evans
Occupation Gentleman, Formerly Clerk On L N W Railway
Age 24
Birth year 1862
Role Patient
Event year(s) 1886-1887
Admission year 1886
Discharge year 1887
Hospital Bethlem
Series Patient Casebooks Covering The Dates 1815 To 1919
Archive reference CB-128
Type Male patient casebook
Year range 1886-1886
Page 103
Record set London, Bethlem Hospital Patient Admission Registers And Casebooks 1683-1932
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Hospitals

of 61 wray cresent tollington pk
nok sister constance evans same address

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 17:11

No John Tilston Evans ishis brother who we know about but thank you for that. We don't have problems with the rest of the family just Richard Kyffin Evans.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 17:59

Do these relate to the 1899 newspaper report you have found?

Kyffin Evans
in the UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
Name: Kyffin Evans
Gender: Male
Admission Date: 18 Feb 1898 (Discharged 1 April 1898)
Institution: Essex
Institution Place: Essex, England


Kyffin Evans
in the UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
Name: Kyffin Evans
Gender: Male
Admission Date: 1 Apr 1898 (Discharged 27 Sept 1901)
Institution: Glos'ter
Institution Place: Gloucestershire, England





Kyffin Evans
in the UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
Name: Kyffin Evans
Gender: Male
Admission Date: 30 Sep 1911 (Discharged 8 Sept 1913)
Institution: Netherne
Intitution Place: Surrey, England


Re Netherne Hospital:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherne_Hospital


???
Kyffin Evans
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Kyffin Evans
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oxfordshire, England [ Mistranscribed - No birthplace shown on image ]
Civil Parish: Hellesdon
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street address: Norwich City Asylum (Lunatic Asylum), Hellesdon, Norwich
Marital status: Single
Occupation: None
Registration district: St Faiths
Registration District Number: 224
Sub-registration district: St Faiths
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 11254

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 18:02

Perhaps the death referred to on the Ancestry tree?

Kyffin Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kyffin Evans
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1861
Registration Date: Oct 1926
[Nov 1926]
[Dec 1926]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 806

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 18:09

The first and second one tie in with what we know. The newspaper was a court case and it said he had been sent to Gloucester Asylum from Essex.Thank you for these and I will take a look at the other ones and see if I can find further information that ties them to him

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 20:18

I am now going to order the Colchester Death Certificate to see if this is our man. The admissions tie in with some of the info we already had and the others do sound very likely to be him.Thank you all very much for your time and help ,it is very much appreciated.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 Mar 2020 20:45

Here he is in 1901:

Hyffin Evans
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Hyffin Evans
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Patient
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ellesmere, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Barnwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Barnwood St Lawrence
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: Barnwood
ED, institution, or vessel: Gloucester Second County Lunatic Asylum
Neighbors:
Piece: 2423
Folio: 35
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 1

LaGooner

LaGooner Report 19 Mar 2020 21:01

Oh well done, thank you so much