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di26ane

di26ane Report 18 May 2020 13:00

Cannot find birth 25/09/1934
Living with Sidney and Velma Durrant (née Ousley) in 1939 list.
Anyone help with this?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2020 13:07

When did Sidney marry Velma?

Answer 1939

Try looking for birth under Ousley

If none found, consider that he may have been adopted

Who did he name as his father when he married?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2020 13:20

For our reference - marriage in 1939, so after Keith's birth.
And only 3 months before 1939 register .:

Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Durrant Sidney F Ousley Sturminster 5a 685
Ouseley Velma M Durrant Sturminster 5a 685


Keith Durrant
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Keith Durrant
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1934
Residence Year: 1939
Address: "Travellers Rest"
Residence Place: Sherborne, Dorset, England
Occupation: Under school age
Schedule Number: 22
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: WLGI
Registration district: 258/3
Household Members:
Name
John Ousley - married - 14 Oct 1875 (can't see year clearly)
Annie Ousley - married - later married again to Cheeseman.
Velma M Durrant - married - Aug 1 1913
Keith Durrant

Sidney's not with them in 1939.



Keith Durrant
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Keith Durrant
Death Age: 51
Birth Date: 25 Sep 1934
Registration Date: Sep 1985
Registration district: Yeovil
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 23
Page: 1495

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2020 13:23

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Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Crabb Keith Ousley Poole 5a 337



Name: John Crabb
Registration Date: Apr 1938
[May 1938]
[Jun 1938]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Mother's Maiden Name: Ousley Or Crabb
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 93

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2020 13:27

Looks very likely, Erika

John Crabb also registered as Ousley.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2020 13:54

Name: Velma May Crabb
Electoral Date: 1938
Street address: 46 ('harrington Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras
County or Borough: Camden, England

+ Algernon Harold Crabb

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2020 14:07

Births Dec 1891 (>99%)
Crabb Algernon Harold Dorchester 5a 331

Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
Crabb Algernon H Crocker Beaminster 5a 691 S

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
Crabb Algernon H 49 Hereford 6a 1228

Alternatively, this death is only record I can find for this one

Title Mr
First name(s) Algernon Harold
Last name Crabb
Sex Male
Age 97
Birth year 1918
Birth date 00/00/1918
Death year 2015
Death date 17 May 2015
Residence St Lawrence
Area Jersey
Geo direction Jersey
Postcode area JE

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2020 14:10

Death of Algernon's wife:

Beatrice M Crabb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Beatrice M Crabb
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: abt 1882
Registration Date: Apr 1968
[May 1968]
[Jun 1968]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Yeovil
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 7c
Page: 637



Not with Algernon in 1939:

Beatrice M Crabb
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Beatrice M Crabb
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1881
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 22
Residence Place: Yeovil, Somerset, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 5
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: WOVR
Registration district: 309/1
Household Members:
Name
Beatrice M Crabb
Icce J Crabb [Ica, born in Blandford RD 1914, mms Crocker]
Vaughan J Holman
Desmond Irownson
Mare P Le Lone#
Mark G Chipman
Arthur G Angerson

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2020 14:25

A tree on Ancestry says the 1941 Hereford death is this Algernon's.

Burial said to be in Evershot, Dorset.
Tree owner says his stone says "Father of Audrey" - but there's no daughter Audrey listed in the tree.

And I don't see any Crabb/Crocker Audrey.
There's an Audrey Crabb (mms Knight) birth in 1902 in Beaminster RD, which includes Evershot.
So the burial's not his - don't know about the death.

EDIT:
But see later post - I've changed my mind!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2020 14:52

If the Jersey death with YOB 1918 is his, that might account for there being no sign of him on 1939 Register.

Perhaps he made his escape when he knew there was a second child on the way.
Or perhaps Velma met Sidney around that time, and broke up with him.

Can't see any sign of young John apart from his birth.
However, won't speculate - he may still be alive.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2020 21:38

Looking again at this, Algernon who died in 2015 was the son of Algernon and Beatrice. Birth on freebmd, plus 3 siblings

So, entirely feasible that he was the one with Velma in 1938

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 May 2020 07:48

Yes, that's probably so, ErikaH.

(EDIT: I mean, definitely re the death, and probably re the ER.)

But either Algernon senior was still around in 1937 but gone by 1938, or John wasn't his son.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 May 2020 07:59

Also looking at it again,
the 1941 death must be his, as there was no other Algernon Crabb born c1892 - or ever, apart from his son.

For that reason, the Evershot burial must also be his.
As he was 47 when he married Beatrice, it's entirely feasible that he had a previous relationship resulting in daughter Audrey.

ADDED:

Audrey died in infancy, in 1903 in Beaminster.

But -
Algernon would only have been 11 when Audrey was born.
Possible??





There were other Crabb/Knight births in Beaminster RD around that time, but they were the children of David Crabb and Alice Knight, who married in Beaminster RD in 1892.
They were baptised in Powerstock/Poorstock.

(My computer's not letting me copy/paste this morning, for some reason.)



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 19 May 2020 08:48

But another thought -

Algernon junior's birth was registered 2nd qr 1918.
He couldn't have been on the 1938 ER - he'd only have been 19 or 20.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 May 2020 09:44

Oh, of course not - hadn’t looked closely enough at date info

So it would have been Algernon snr with Velma

Twin son Harold Algernon died In 1917
Twin daughter Beatrix Flora Irene married Alfred Pinney in 1940, and died there in 2017

Name: Ms Beatrix Flora Irene Pinney
Gender: Female
Age: 97
Birth Date: 1917
Last Residence: Yeovil, Somerset, England
Postal Code District: BA21
Death Date: 31 Mar 2014

She was in Bristol in 1939

Name: Flora I Crabbe
[Flora I Pinney]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1916
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 1 - 7 Charlotte St Hostel For Drapery Saleswomen
Residence Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Schedule Number: 281
Sub Schedule Number: 35
OVSPI: R
Enumeration District: OABA
Registration district: 319/1

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 May 2020 10:36

Name: Algernon Harold Crabb
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Marriage Age: 23
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1890
Marriage Date: 19 Jun 1913
Marriage Place: Hook, Dorset, England
Father: James Crabb
Mother: [No Name]
Spouse: Beatrice Mabel Crocker

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 May 2020 10:42

Name: Lea Ingride Crabb
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1914
Baptism Place: Hook, Dorset, England
Father: Algernon Harold Crabb
Mother: Beatrice Mabel


Marriages Mar 1945 (>99%)
Crabbe Algernon H Veeble Yeovil 5c 754
Keeble Blanche M Crabbe Yeovil 5c 754

One child on freebmd

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 May 2020 10:49

Algernon jnr could have been in the forces in 1939, which would explain his absence from the Register,

There isn't a 'closed' record in his mother's household

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 May 2020 13:28

First name(s) VELMA MAY
Last name DURRANT
Gender Female
Birth day 1
Birth month 8
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 2004
District North Dorset
District number 430/1
Register number 72
Entry number 215
Date of registration mm/yy 0604

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 May 2020 13:18

Velma's mother

Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
Cheeseman Archie L Ousley Frome 7c 349
OUSLEY Annie CHEESEMAN Frome 7c 349

First name(s) ANNIE
Last name CHEESEMAN
Gender Female
Birth day 6
Birth month 2
Birth year 1888
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1982
District North Dorset
County Dorset