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On 1911 census Catherine’s age is 23- born later than 1886 if it’s accurate

Where is she in 1891 and 1901?

Ancestry thinks this is her in 1891:

Catherine Kelly
in the 1891 England CensusName: Catherine Kelly
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1884
Father: James Kelly
Mother: Catherine Kelly
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Chorlton on Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Residence Place: Manchester, Chorlton on Medlock, Lancashire, England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, Institution or Vessel: 36
Neighbors:
Piece: 3186
Folio: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kelly 35
Catherine Kelly 32
John Kelly 9
Catherine Kelly 7
Annie Kelly 2
William Goffe 39
Edward Goffe 11
Mary H Goffe 15

And some of the family in 1901:

James Kelly
in the 1901 England Census
Name: James Kelly
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Catherine Kelly
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Condition as to marriage:
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 05
Neighbors:
Piece: 3693
Folio: 79
Page Number: 11
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kelly 37
Catherine Kelly 36
John Kelly 19
Mary Kelly 2


I'm struggling to find births for John, Catherine, Annie, and Mary, all with the same mms.

IF - IF - Fox is correct, there's this:

KELLY, MARY mms FOX
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 256

but there were several Mary Kellys born in Manchester in 1899+/-1.
There are also two in Chorlton.

James and Catherine hadn’t aged much between 1891 and 1901!

True - could well be a different family.

James in 1891 is a Master M (looks like Fairy, but clearly can't be.)
James in 1901 is a general labourer - doesn't seem likely to be the same person. His wife is living on her own means in 1901.

????

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TURNER Joseph KELLY Catherine 1907 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/188/43

do you have the marriage cert for catherine
for
fathers name
his occupation
and address

Sylann has already said she has the cert, but hasn’t given us ALL the info it contains.

Thank you for this
The Church of the Holy Family Chorlton6 Oct 1882
James Kelly aged 25 Back Labourer father James Kelly Labourer
Catherine Foxx 22 Spin father John Fox Labourer
wit Margaret Dean & John Daley

Chorlton Registry office
Catherine Kelly 20 Spin father James Joseph Kelly Dec Labourer in iron works
Joseph Turner 20 labourer in iron works father Thomas Turner Farm Labourer
wit James Cannon &Caroline Charlesworth

I've not got the birth for Catherine and her siblings Actually when I was doing this years ago I didn't know about GRO it's only this last couple of years I've realised what you can do with it

1939 Register
Catherine Jones (2nd marriage) born 28 July 1886

You haven't given us the address from the 1907 cert.

The earlier cert may be totally irrelevant, as you haven't yet found out the maiden name of Catherine's mother

What does she say about her father on this?

Marriages Sep 1920 (>99%)
Jones Sidney Turner Chorlton 8c 2500
Turner Catherine Jones Chorlton 8c 2500

These are the only births for the name in the qtr matching her DoB on 1939

KELLY, CATHERINE KENNEALY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 359
KELLY, CATHERINE MURPHY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in DEWSBURY Volume 09B Page 604
KELLY, CATHERINE RYAN
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 135
KELLY, CATHERINE TIERNEY
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 745
KELLY, CATHERINE EMMA COLEMAN
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 653

The 1882 cert is not actually relevant until you establish who Catherine's mother was

Why the rude emoji?

That won't encourage people to try to help you

So sorry don't know how that got on there I'll delete

????
Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

11, Lower Chatham Street, South Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Kelly Head Married Male 37 1864 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Kelly Wife Married Female 36 1865 Living On Own Means Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Kelly Son Single Male 19 1882 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Kelly Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

Thank you - thought it wasn't your 'style' ;-)

this is what I deleted

1907 Marriage 9 Low, Chatham Street Chorlton upon Medlock

Once again I'm so sorry my lap top has a mind of it's own some times I never use those on here
So what are you saying I've got to get my grans birth certificate? if so which one as we can't find one for her , 1939 says birth 28 July 1886?
Can't understand why we can't find one I've found for her sibling ? not on GRO though

You asked about 1901 census I have her as a Patient aged 15 Royal Infirmary Manchester doesn't help

You say you've found a birth for her sibling.............details, please.

The ages given for Catherine fluctuate, so the 1939 DoB cannot be taken as fact.

She was recorded as 81 when she died in 1966 - birth 1885 She was supposedly 7 years old in 1891 - birth no later than 1st qtr 1884. In 1911 she was 23 - birth 1887/8

So, totally unreliable as regards to age and birth year

KELLY, MARY (MMN) FOX
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 256

Interesting twist

Catherine Fox's parents

Name: John Fox
Birth Year: abt 1830
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1851
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Patrick Fox
Spouse's name: Ann Kelly
Spouse's Father's Name: Patrick Kelly
Archive Roll: 720


FOX, CATHERINE (MMN) KELLY
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 180

FOX, BRIDGET KELLY
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 179

FOX, PATRICK KELLY
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 161