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Robert Reginald Fleming 1864 ,,,1901

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Pauline

Pauline Report 26 Dec 2020 16:58

Hello
I am looking for the parents of Robert Reginald Fleming born 1864 Christchurch Bournmouth
His wife was Charlotte Birkshire
He died in 1901 and had a son with the same name
Thank you

malyon

malyon Report 26 Dec 2020 17:16

the son
born 1884

Robert Reginald Fleming
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008

Name:
Robert Reginald Fleming
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year:
1884
Registration District:
Christchurch
County:
Hampshire
Event Place:
Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Volume:
2B
Affiliate Line Number:
342

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Dec 2020 17:20

That’s probably the son!

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Dec 2020 17:28

No second name on the marriage
Her name spelt differentlyly too

Marriages Jun 1884
BARKSHIRE Charlotte Henley 3a
FLEMING Robert Henley 3a 960

Get the cert for his fathers name

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Dec 2020 17:30

The son

FLEMING, ROBERT REGINALD BARKSHIRE
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in CHRISTCHURCH, HANTS Volume 02B Page 68

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Dec 2020 17:33

Charlotte was a widow by 1891

Charlotte A Fleming
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1866
Child: Robt R Fleming
Maud L Fleming
Birth Place: Reading, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Reading, St Mary, Berkshire, England
Registration District: Reading
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, Institution or Vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 992
Folio: 99
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte A Fleming 25 widow occ dressmaker
Robt R Fleming 6
Maud L Fleming 11/12

Pauline

Pauline Report 26 Dec 2020 17:56

Thank you the son was 1884

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 26 Dec 2020 17:56

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
FLEMING, LIONEL LINNEL BARKSHIRE
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 356


View 1901 England Census

Name: Charlott Flaming
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reading, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Search Photos: Search for 'St Mary' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration District: Reading
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1145
Folio: 105
Page Number: 19
Household Schedule Number: 102
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlott Flaming 34
Robert Flaming 16
Lionel Flaming 14
Maud Flaming 11

malyon

malyon Report 26 Dec 2020 17:59

cant find robert i earlier census

safc

safc Report 26 Dec 2020 18:18

Record Transcription:
Berkshire Marriages Index
What can I do with this record?
Add To Tree
Is this the same person?
We've found the following potential record matches for the same person in other record sets
Robert Fleming
Census Record
Berkshire, England
Year of census: 1871
Robert Fleming
Civil Deaths & Burials Record
Berkshire, England
Year of death: 1886
First name(s) Robert
Last name Fleming
Age 22
Birth year 1862
Marital status Bach
Occupation Coach-builder
Residence St Lawrence, Reading
Marriage year 1884
Marriage date 30 Apr 1884
Church St Peter
Place Caversham
County Berkshire
Country England
Spouse's first name(s) Charlotte
Spouse's last name Barkshire
Spouse's age 18
Spouse's marital status Spin
Spouse's residence Caversham
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Fleming
Spouse's father's first name(s) Charles
Spouse's father's last name BARKSHIRE
Spouse's father's occupation Compositor
Spouse's father's other details [Condition] deceased
Licence or banns Licence
Witnesses George CARTER; Mary Ann FILLY
Additional information [Officiating Minister] A. E. MOLINEAUX, Vicar
Record set Berkshire Marriages Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 18:18

Where did you find the info re Robert 1864's birth?

I don't see any record of it.

One tree on Ancestry has him, but with no proof of DOB or birthplace

It claims this is his burial:

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Name: Robert Fleming
Record Type: Death
Death Date: 26 Apr 1901
Death Place: Islington, Islington, England
Register Type Parish Register


However, that's in a list of deaths in the St John's Road Workhouse, and the man was aged 74, therefore born 1827, and therefore NOT the elusive Robert Reginald 1864.


The death on GRO website:
FLEMING, ROBERT 74
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 122


I hope you're not assuming that info on someone's tree is necessarily correct!

safc

safc Report 26 Dec 2020 18:21

????

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Friar Street, St Lawrence, Reading, Berkshire, England

Sarah Fleming

Sarah Fleming

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Fleming Head - Male 53 1818 - Berkshire, England
Sarah Fleming Wife - Female 43 1828 - Northamptonshire, England
Mary Fleming Daughter - Female 14 1857 - Berkshire, England
Fanny Fleming Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Berkshire, England
James Fleming Son - Male 11 1860 - Berkshire, England
Robert Fleming Son - Male 9 1862 - Berkshire, England
Sarah Fleming Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Berkshire, England
Lucy Fleming Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Berkshire, England
William Fleming Son - Male 0 1871 - Berkshire, England
Hannah Butler Servant - Female 20 1851 - Hampshire, England
Eliza Cole Servant - Female 15 1856 - Northamptonshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 18:24

As Charlotte was a widow in 1891:


??
Robert Fleming
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Robert Fleming
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 25
Registration District: Reading
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 222

If that's his death, he has no middle name at either marriage or death.





EDIT:
I see now that safc has already posted this death, and it is definitely the right one.
EDIT AGAIN:
On closer inspection, I'm not sure what safc posted (26 Dec, at 18:18 ). It seems to be an amalgam of marriage, death, and 1871 census.

safc

safc Report 26 Dec 2020 18:24

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

3, Friar Street, Reading St Lawrence, Reading, Berkshire, England

Sarah Fleming

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Fleming Head Married Male 63 1818 Corn Factor & Coach Builder Employing 15 Men & 3 Boys Wokingham, Berkshire, England
Sarah Fleming Wife Married Female 53 1828 - Daventry, Northamptonshire, England
Fanny Fleming Daughter Single Female 22 1859 Teacher Of Music Reading, Berkshire, England
Robert Fleming Son Single Male 19 1862 Coach Builder Reading, Berkshire, England
Lucy Fleming Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar Reading, Berkshire, England
William Fleming Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Reading, Berkshire, England
Emily Starey Servant Single Female 17 1864 Servant (Dom) Reading, Berkshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 18:25

Robert Fleming
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Robert Fleming
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Robert Fleming
Mother: Sarah Fleming
Gender: Male
Where born: Reading, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Saint Lawrence
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Friar St
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Coach Builder
Registration District: Reading
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 1305
Folio: 64
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Fleming 63
Sarah Fleming 53
Fanny Fleming 22
Robert Fleming 19
Lucy Fleming 13
William Fleming 11
Emily Starey 17

Pauline

Pauline Report 26 Dec 2020 18:28

Sorry it seems not to be correct
My mistake thank you for putting me right

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 18:36

That birth record Shirley posted for Lionel 1884 , with middle name Linnel, proves that the 1871 and 1881 censuses posted above are for the correct family.

The mother Sarah was born in Northamptonshire, per the censuses.

This is Sarah's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
Fleming Robert Daventry 3b 172
LINNELL Sarah Daventry 3b 172


Pauline

Pauline Report 26 Dec 2020 18:39

Thats wonderful thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 18:48

Births of the other children in 1871 census - but I can't see Robert's:

FLEMING, SARAH mmn LINNELL
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 365

FLEMING, LUCY mmn SINNELL
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 337

FLEMING, WILLIAM mmn LINNELL
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 335

FLEMING, JAMES mmn SINNELL
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in OF READING Volume 02C Page 327


FLEMING, FANNY mmn LINNELL
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 325

FLEMING, MARY mmn LENNELL
GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 343

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Dec 2020 22:28

Possible birth of the child Maud L Fleming who is with Sarah in 1891,1901 and 1911???

BARKSHIRE, MAUD LILIAN HISSEY mmn PINFOLD
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in READING Volume 02C Page 353


The child is listed as Charlotte's daughter in all the censuses - perhaps Charlotte adopted a niece ??

I don't see a Barkshire/Pinfold marriage anywhere.




Her death??

Deaths Mar 1930 (>99%)
Fleming Maud L D 40 Reading 2c 432



Maude Heming
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Maude Heming
Age in 1911: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Reading, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Reading
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Connaught Rd, Reading
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Book Keeper Clerk
Registration District: Reading
Registration District Number: 121
Sub-registration District: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 6565
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Heming 41
Maude Heming 20