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ErikaH Report 6 Jan 2021 13:53

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Foreman
Gender Female
Birth day 7
Birth month 12
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1989
District Watford
Register number 689
County Hertfordshire
Volume 10
Page 742

Her maiden name - if different (and known to the informant) - will be on the death cert

However, the person registering may not have known much about her...............Leslie pre-deceased her, and he was probably the only one with full info.

I doubt that her birth name was Foreman.................

I wonder, too, how accurate the DoB info is...................

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 6 Jan 2021 14:00

Sister Lilian also married in Watford

Marriages Dec 1942
Atkins Dennis W M Tennant Watford 3a 2831
Tennant Lilian W Atkins Watford 3a 2831

Not that this finds Mary Foreman


ErikaH Report 6 Jan 2021 14:13

These are all the births in Middlesbrough of Mary A in qtrs which would match birth date given on death registration

Ackroyd Mary A Taylor Middlesboro 9d 1088
Allison Mary A Ryan Middlesbrough 9d 1094
Boyle Mary A Rees Middlesbro 8d 967
Fairhead Mary A Allen Middlesbro 9d 1109
FEETENBY Mary A Thompson Middlesbro 9d 1197
Gillseney Mary A Clare Middlesbro 9d 1119
Jarrett Mary A Sykes Middlesbro 9d 1133
MULLIGAN Mary A Coyle Middlesbro 9d 1163
MULRANEY Mary A Smith Middlesbro 9d 1064
Poole Mary A Neath Middlesbro 9d 949
Reynolds Mary A Rout Middlesbro 9d 1063
Spencer Mary A Devlin Middlesbro 9d 1202

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
BOWKER Mary A Kirkby Middlesbrough 9d 1191
DIXON Mary A L Heathcote Middlesbro' 9d 993
GALLAGHER Mary A Joyce Middlesbrough 9d 1101
Murphy Mary A Husband Middlesbro 9d 991
SYKES Mary A Garland Middlesbro. 9d 1051


jade Report 6 Jan 2021 14:41

Alvegail. Leslie did live in Riverside rd until he died in 81 but his address with mary was 43 riverside road. I'm wondering if he lodged there in lodgings before he met mary.


jade Report 6 Jan 2021 14:44

Erikah the birthdate for Mary is definitely 07/121913 as I have paperwork but it doesn't give a maiden name.


ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2021 15:44

What is the paperwork you have which gives her birthdate, please?

The only documentation giving a DOB which could be completely relied on would be her birth cert - which you don't have.

Anything else depends on whether or not Mary or whoever the informant was actually knew her exact DOB.

My late husband and siblings, and their father himself, were sure they knew their father's DOB. It was only when he died, and they had to get a copy of his birth cert for legal purposes that they discovered he was actually a year and a couple of days older than they had always been told.


ErikaH Report 6 Jan 2021 15:50

If all you are basing your DoB info on is the death cert, I'm afraid that is not reliable, as the info given is 'as known'

Sorry, but that's the reality...................


jade Report 6 Jan 2021 17:53

I have Mary's actual death certificate but it has nothing about her maiden name on it. It is the original death certificate given to her son Dennis when he registered Mary's death.
The date of birth Dennis gave me and its correct as many many years ago I saw a copy of her birth certificate but I was a child then and dont remember all the details.


jade Report 6 Jan 2021 19:44

Turns out leslie foreman married Olive Tennant/William's in 1942.


ErikaH Report 6 Jan 2021 20:07

That info was given to you on page other details


jade Report 6 Jan 2021 20:50

Erikah some queried it and it wasn't a definite until the marriage certificate was presented.


jade Report 7 Jan 2021 21:03

I found Mary Foreman/Ackroyd. Thank you everyone for your help.


alviegal Report 7 Jan 2021 21:51

Are you sure that's her? There is this death....
GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 739

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Jan 2021 22:40

This looks to be her parents

Do the names ring a bell?

Marriages Mar 1905
ACKROYD Walter Middlesbro' 9d 876
TAYLOR Ada Middlesbro' 9d 876


jade Report 8 Jan 2021 10:09

Il look into that, thank you.

Shirley. Thank you.??


jade Report 8 Jan 2021 10:16

The only death of mary ann in 1914 is showing as Leicester and ours was Middlesbrough but thanks anyway. :-(


ArgyllGran Report 8 Jan 2021 10:43

Jade -
I don't understand your last post.

The only death of a Mary Ann in Leicester in 1914 (per FreeBMD) was that of a Mary Ann WIGSTON.
There are also lots of Mary A's, some of whom may be called Mary Ann (I haven't trawled through them all on GRO) but none called Foreman or Ackroyd.

Alviegal posted Mary Ann Ackroyd's death in MIDDLESBROUGH in 1914.
Mary Ann Ackroyd is NOT your Mary Ann.

In any case, she is only one of the many Mary Anns whose birth registration in Middlesbrough would fit with a DOB of 7/12/1913, as shown on the list posted by ErikaH.


ErikaH Report 8 Jan 2021 11:48

Sorry, Jade, but without the birth cert (which you say you've seen - although only when you were a child) you can't know when Mary was born. The DoB on the death cert was provided by the person registering the event, and was - presumably - only what he'd been told.


jade Report 8 Jan 2021 13:19

Using BDM the mary Ann I was looking for matches the information I have and after being given access to a foreman tree it also matches.
The death of a Mary in 1914 was in Leicester and I was looking for mary Anne from Middlesbrough.


ArgyllGran Report 8 Jan 2021 16:15

It's never a good idea to rely on "information" in someone else's family tree unless they provide documentary proof of what they say.

Far too many people don't bother checking.

To repeat what's already been said -

Nobody named Mary Foreman was born in Middlesbrough 1910-15.

If it was indeed her birth cert which you saw when you were a child, it couldn't have been in the name of Foreman - or if it was, she wasn't born in Middlesbrough.

The birth records of both sons give their mother's maiden surname as Foreman.

These are the only births, anywhere in England or Wales, of girls named Mary or Mary A Foreman 1911-14:

Births Sep 1911
FOREMAN Mary A (mmn Bailey) Sunderland 10a 1486

Births Mar 1912
Foreman Mary (mmn Graham) Tynemouth 10b 572
Foreman Mary (mmn Starr) Shoreditch 1c 89
Foreman Mary A (mmn Warden) Pancras 1b 26

Births Mar 1913
Foreman Mary (mmn Evans) Barnsley 9c 460

Births Jun 1913
Foreman Mary (mmn Norris) Peterbro 3b 440

Of those, only the ones registered in March 1912 and March 1913 could fit with a birth date of 7th December.