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It is the same family. John Gorman is Margaret’s nephew by marriage. John Gorman is the son in law of Margaret’s sister Eleanor and her husband Andrew Connelly.

John Gorman’s wife Agnes is the granddaughter of Agnes Greenlaw (Wasdale)

The earlier thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1386604

Thank you. I’ll look for the thread again

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I do have Margaret’s marriage in my tree along with her sister Eleanor/Ellanor/Ellenor’s marriage to Andrew Connelly.

I previously gave you Margaret's marriage on your thread in August 2020

Thank you finding Margaret on the 1881 census, The christening of Agnes’ first husband and Margaret’s marriage.

FMP's version of 1861

Bardy Well Lane, St Bees, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Agnes Greenwin Head Unmarried Female 52 1809 Assist in shop Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Margaret Greenwin Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Name:
John Polglase
Sex:
Male
Father's Name:
John Polglase
Father's Sex:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Margaret Quiggin Greenlaw
Spouse's Sex:
Female
Spouse's Father's Name:
William Greenlaw
Marriage Date:
30 Jun 1875
Marriage Place:
Millom, Cumberland, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original):
Millom, Cumberland, England

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England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Transcript of Oswald's record

First name(s) Oswald
Last name Cannon
Gender Male
Birth year 1808
Birth place -
Baptism year 1808
Baptism date 18 Sep 1808
Place Whitehaven
County Cumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thos.
Father's last name Cannon
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

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John Polglase Head Male 45 Cornwall, England
Margaret Polglase Wife Female 46 Cumberland, England
John Polglase Son Male 14 Cumberland, England
William Polglase Son Male 13 Cumberland, England
Margaret Polglase Daughter Female 10 Cumberland, England
Agnes Polglase Daughter Female 9 Milton, Cumberland, England
Agnes Greenlaw Mother In Law Female 82 St Bees, Cumberland, England
Mary Reay Servant Female 15 Cumberland, England

England and Wales Census, 1891


1881 is also on there

Thank you for finding her on the 1861 census and confirming her death.

Thank you for finding Agnes’ first marriage.

I think she died in 1893 in Bootle, Cumberland but am waiting on the certificate to confirm.

Name: Agnes Greenlaw
Age: 87
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: Bootle, Cumberland, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1893
Inferred Death Place: Cumberland, United Kingdom
Volume: 10b
Page: 413

Name: Agnes Greenlaw
Death Date: 22 Jun 1893
Death Place: Cumberland, England
Probate Date: 19 Nov 1894
Probate Registry: Carlisle
Probate to Margaret Quiggin Polglase (wife of John)

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Name: Agnes Greenlaw
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: St Bees
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration District: Whitehaven
Sub-registration District: Whitehaven
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 304
Piece: 3946
Folio: 81
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Greenlaw 52
Margaret Greenlaw 17

When and where did she die?

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Transcript of Agnes's record

First name(s) Agnes
Last name Wasdale
Marital status Spinster
Year 1829
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 31 Dec 1829
Place Liverpool, St Philip
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Liverpool, St Philip
Spouse's first name(s) John Oswald
Spouse's last name Cannon
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence Liverpool, St Philip
Witness 1 Jane Bell
Witness 2 Isaac Gambles
County Lancashire
Country England
Licence or banns Licence
Archive Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PLP-3-2
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1827-1833
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

From image - both of this parish

a note in the margin with asterisk relating to an asterisk by the name John says - *In the Baptismal register the name john is omitted by mistake" - signed by --?--? Bowstead - Minister

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Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations 1606-1905
St Philip, Liverpool

Transcript of Agnes's record

First name(s) Agnes
Last name Wasdale
Birth year 1808
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 28 Dec 1829
Parish St Philip, Liverpool
Spouse's first name John Oswald
Spouse's last name Cannon
Bride's age 21
Bride's residence Liverpool
Bride's marital status Spinster
Groom's age 21
Groom's residence Liverpool
Groom's occupation Mariner
Groom's marital status Batchelor
Place St Philip, Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds And Allegations 1606-1905
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

I was wondering if anyone could find my 4x great grandmother on the 1861 census?

My 4x great grandmother was born Agnes Wasdale in 1805 and I have a birth date of 13/2/1805 and a christening date of 15/2/1805 at St John, Beckermet church, Beckermet which now comes under the diocese of Carlisle.


Agnes married twice first John Oswald Cannon though I’m struggling to find their marriage and second William Quiggin Greenlaw on 22/3/1837 in Whitehaven, Cumberland. William’s parents married at the end of 1814 in Whitehaven and he appears to have been born in 1815 though I cannot find a christening record. As a result of William being 10 years younger than Agnes age is a very elastic concept to her and she claims to have been born anywhere between her own year of birth and her husbands and changes it on each census.

William died in 1854 and Agnes has a tendency to deposit her children with different relatives however children who might be living with her are Alexander Henry Greenlaw (1837), Jane Greenlaw (1840), William Quiggin Greenlaw (1841) and Margaret Quiggin Greenlaw (1843). Her youngest daughter Eleanor Wasdale Greenlaw (1845) is working as a house servant in the home of her half brother Thomas Coulthard Cannon (1832).

All the children were born in Whitehaven. Can anyone find Agnes?