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Charles Roeloff Baker

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Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 15:51

Having restarted my family research I'm looking for my Gt UncleCharlie. His parents were Charles Phillip Baker (born in Halifax, Yorkshire) and Marie Turner born in Suffolk) both born c 1876/77. They had 7 children Daphne Barbara, Raymond de Vere, Dora Muriel, Edna Adah, Vera Phyllis, Charlie Roeloff and Phillip E - who died in childhood. I have traced the siblings and found them on the 1921 census in Birmingham but no Charles. (snr or jnr) Alll I know is that he was in the army in WW2 and suffered from shell shock but when he joined or left I don't know. Charlie was born 1904 in Middlesex.. I have a lot of information about his mother and siblings. The family were in Croyden in 1911. I know nothing about his father Charles Phillip either - he isn't with the family in 1921.


ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2022 15:56

For our reference:

Charles P Baker
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Charles P Baker
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Marie Baker
Birth Place: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornton Heath St Paul
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Croydon
Sub-registration District: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 74
Piece: 646
Folio: 187
Page Number: 51
Household Schedule Number: 357
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles P Baker 24
Marie Baker 25
Vera P Baker 3/12

Charles Baker
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charles Baker
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Country: England
Street Address: 76 Burlington Rd, Thornton Heath, Surrey
Occupation: Furnishing Salesman
Registration District Number: 39
Sub-registration District: North Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 3397
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Baker 33
Mary Baker 35
Vera Phyllis Baker 10
Edna Adah Baker 8
Charles Roelogg Baker 6
Dora Muriel Baker 5
Philip Ernest Baker 2

Charles Roelof Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles Roelof Baker
Registration Date: 1904
Quarter of the Year: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Place: Brentford, Middlesex, England
Volume: 3a
Page: 184


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:00

Purely for info

GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 184

When Phillipa Dora Muriel married in 1927, she said her father Charles Philip was deceased


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:03

On the 1921 census, what does Marie say about her marital status?


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:07

In 1939, Charles R is a patient in Warlingham Park Mental Hospital, Surrey
DoB 2nd June 1904


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:08

I have those details but thank you, I found my grandmother mis transcribed on the 1921 census as Barker instead of Baker! :-)


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:10

Which details? All of them?


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:11

On the 1921 census Marie is living with Harry and Martha Davies Martha is listed as Head, Harry is listed as Husband and Marie is listed as wife


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:15

Could you C&P please………easier if we can see the transcribed info


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:16

No sorry ErikaH I was replying to ArgyllGran and then meant to delete but pressed wrongly. Sorry for causing confusion. I know Marie married Charles and in 1929 married Percy Wicks but know nothing about a marriage to Harry Davies unless this was for respectability purposes I dont know!?!


ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2022 16:29

The details I posted were for the helpers' reference.

It's easier to understand details and possible connections when we can see the actual records.


ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2022 16:31

The marriage to Percy Wicks - also for our reference, for location:

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
BAKER Marie Wicks Lymington 2b 1695
Wicks Percy Baker Lymington 2b 1695


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:37

I know Charlie Roeloff did suffer terribly from shell shock and an elderly cousin of my father told me he had electric shock therapy, and was very badly affected for the rest of his life apparently. I didnt know where he was a patient so thank you,

Martha Davies Head Female 1874 47 Aston Warwickshire Home Duties Harry Davies Husband Male 1867 54 Acton Shropshire Warehouseman Lunts Ltd Cyril Davies Son Male 1898 23 Aston Warwickshire Taylors & Son
Victor Davies Son Male 1905 16 Aston Warwickshire Toolmaker -out of work Iris Davies daughter female 1903 18 Aston Warwickshire Enamelware -out of work Marie Baker Wife female 1879 41 Wandsworth London Home Duties Ednah Baker daughter female 1902 18 Tulse Hill London General Clerk - Printers


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:37

So the statement on the daughter’s marriage cert is probably accurate.

Have you looked for a death?

Martha Davies is Harry’s wife, surely ;-) ;-)


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:41

Thank you ArgyllGran I understand all information can help with searches this is why I meant to delete. Sorry.
The other 2 children on the 1921 census are Daphne Baker aged 9 and Raymond Baker aged 5


ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2022 16:47

So presumably - but not necessarily - Charles Philip was still alive in 1914-15.

GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 1282


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 16:50

Was Marie said to be a widow when she married Wicks?


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:53

I did think Martha and Harry were the husband and wife of the household but not sure why my gt gran would be listed as Wife - presumably because her husband was about somewhere and therefore she wasnt a widow, we were told Charles P 'disappeared' and Gt Gran did 'moonlight flits' so family never knew what happened to Charles P. I think I came across a death for a Charles around 1926 but I'm not sure and must admit I haven't checked that in the last couple of days that ive started researching family again. Both grandmothers in my family were Baker and not sure if the death for Charles that i found death was on paternal side or maternal side so Id have to re-check


Lynnedee Report 12 Jan 2022 16:54

yes she was down as widowed when she married Percy Wicks


ErikaH Report 12 Jan 2022 17:00

According to both the hospital record and his enlistment, Charles R was in the RAF -
signing-on on 10th January 1923, giving his DoB as 2/6/03 - actual DoB 2/6/04

Next of Kin was his MOTHER, 47 Auckland Terrace, Kingston on Thames.