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1921 Census/Finding a Death Help Please

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Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 29 Jan 2024 13:32

I'm trying to help a friend trace her family tree (not putting it online).

This is the information I have from her: Living in Bolsover, Derbyshire in 1911

Joseph Wilson born c1881 Pleasley Hill, Nottinghamshire.
Eliza (nee Chapman) (wife) born c1884, Bolsover, Derbyshire.
John Richard Chapman born c1902, Bolsover, Derbyshire.
Nellie Wilson born c1905, Radford, Nottinghamshire.
Edna May Wilson born c1907, Bolsover, Derbyshire.
Emily Wilson born 1910, Bolsover, Derbyshire.

Nellie appears to marry 1928 in Manchester, Lancashire.
Emily appears to marry in 1929 in Bolsover, Derbyshire. Address at time of marriage - Droylsden, Manchester. Both say Father Deceased.

Any help much Appreciated.
Thank you

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2024 14:13

Posting 1911 for helpers' reference:

Nellie Wilson
in the 1911 England Census
Name Nellie Wilson
Age in 1911 6
Estimated Birth Year abt 1905
Gender Female
Birth Place Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish Bolsover
County/Island Derbyshire
Country England
Street Address 3 Stateion Road Bolsover
Marital Status Divorced
Registration District Number 438
Sub-registration district Bolsover
ED, institution, or vessel 02
Piece 21123
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Wilson 31 Head
Eliza Wilson 28
John Richard Chapman 9
Nellie Wilson 6
Edna May Wilson 4
Emily Wilson 1



Nellie's presumed marriage:

Nillie Wilson
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name Nillie Wilson
Gender Female
Marriage Age 23
Event Type Marriage
Birth Year abt 1905
Marriage Date 8 Sep 1928
Marriage Place Manchester, St Philip, Manchester, England
Parish as it Appears Manchester
Father Joseph Wilson (deceased)
Spouse James Beaumont
Reference Number M299/3/2/12
Archive Roll 860


1921 (without a sub to FMP) - Joseph's still alive:

Nellie
Wilson
1905
Birthplace: Nottinghamshire, England
Residence: Droylsden, Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire

Living with Joseph 1880, Joseph 1903, Eliza 1882, Edna M 1907, Emma 1909, Harriett 1912, Ivy 1918 - all Wilson
Also John R Chapman 1902.
.


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2024 14:15

Therefore Joseph's death

Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%)
Wilson Joseph 47 Ashton 8d 965


Joseph Wilson
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name Joseph Wilson
Birth Date 1881
Death Date 14 Mar 1928
Cemetery Droylsden Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Droylsden, Metropolitan Borough of Tameside, Greater Manchester, England

Kay????

Kay???? Report 29 Jan 2024 14:16

The family appear to be in Droylsden Lans in 1921,

Joseph bn Nottingham,,Eliza ,,,Nellie and 6 others are listed. on the same record.

a paid view of 1921 will confirm.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2024 14:33

1921 census

1921 Census Of England & Wales
11, Hyde Street, Droylsden, Lancashire, England

Household members (9 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
B Joseph Wilson Head Male 1880 40 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Miner Coal Hewer Ward, Mr Ward
B Eliza Wilson Wife Female 1882 38 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England House Duties -
Nellie Wilson Daughter Female 1905 16 Nottinghamshire, England Robin Winder Broad Bent
John R Chapman Son Male 1902 18 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England Little Piecer Cotton Spinner Byraim Royal
Edna M Wilson Daughter Female 1907 14 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Emma Wilson Daughter Female 1909 11 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Harriett Wilson Daughter Female 1912 8 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Ivy Wilson Daughter Female 1918 3 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Joseph Wilson Nephew, boarder Male 1903 18 Nottinghamshire, England - -

Births Sep 1912
Wilson Harriet Chapman Chesterfield 7b 1558

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 14:35

1921 Census Of England & Wales
11, Hyde Street, Droylsden, Lancashire, England
Joseph Wilson Head Male 1880 40 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Miner Coal Hewer Ward, Mr Ward
B Eliza Wilson Wife Female 1882 38 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England House Duties -
Nellie Wilson Daughter Female 1905 16 Nottinghamshire, England Robin Winder Broad Bent
John R Chapman Son Male 1902 18 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England Little Piecer Cotton Spinner Byraim Royal
Edna M Wilson Daughter Female 1907 14 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Emma Wilson Daughter Female 1909 11 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Harriett Wilson Daughter Female 1912 8 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Ivy Wilson Daughter Female 1918 3 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England - -
Joseph Wilson Nephew, boarder Male 1903 18 Nottinghamshire, England - -

Whose death are you asking for?

Have you looked for info on freebmd?

have you followed-up on the possible marriages on 1939 register?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 14:48

WILSON, EDNA MAY CHAPMAN
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 849

WILSON, NELLIE CHAPMAN
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 399

WILSON, HARRIET CHAPMAN
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 1558

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:03

1939 Register
13 Sandywell Street, Manchester, Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England
James Beaumont 23 Aug 1904 Male Colliery Hewer Married 92 1
Nellie Beaumont 02 Mar 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 92 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Kathleen Baguley (Neech,Beaumont) 24 Sep 1929 Female - Single 92 3

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:04

As this is your friend's tree, one of the children must be her direct line - which one?

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 29 Jan 2024 15:08

Thanks People.

Your all fantastic.

It's Eliza Chapman she's related to. Just wants to know what became of her, the husband and the children.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:22

CHAPMAN, JOHN RICHARD -
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 801

First name(s) John R
Parent's name(s) Jos Wilson
Last name Chapman
Archive Derbyshire Record Office
Birth year 1902
Archive reference D6092_3_1
Birth date 28 Sep 1902
Book type Admissions
Event year 1909
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Bolsover Board Infants School
Category Education & work
Town Bolsover
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Derbyshire
Collections from Great Britain, England
Country England


CHAPMAN, JOHN RICHARD 33
GRO Reference: 1935 D Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 837

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 Jan 2024 15:30

Posted death of Joseph Wilson (senior) at 14:15, which is what you seemed to be asking for.

So is your friend wanting all/any info about all family members from 1911 onwards?

"Just wants to know what became of her, the husband and the children."

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 29 Jan 2024 15:39

Argyll Gran

Yes, she would really appreciate any information on this branch of the family.

Think I've sorted Edna May's Marriage out. Arthur Shawcross in 1924 in Ashton and found them in 1939 Register. Mistranscribed as 'Shallanoss'

Looks like Harriet married James Pearson in 1934 in Ashton.

It's just Eliza's Death and Ivy's Birth, ?Marriage/Death I'm stuck on now.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:39

Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
Beaumont Kathleen Neech Gloucester R. 7b 841
Neech William T Beaumont Gloucester Rural 7b 841

Marriages Dec 1959 (>99%)
BAGULEY James W NEECH Manchester 10e 622
NEECH Kathleen BAGULEY Manchester 10e 622

BAGULEY, KATHLEEN 1929
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2003 in MANCHESTER (0061A) Reg A68B Entry Number 112

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:44

NO obvious record of Ivy's birth - I would have posted it along with the others

Ditto Emily/Emma

Check yourself on freebmd and the GRO index

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 15:49

Ivy is 3yrs 1month in June 1921

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson*

Joy *The Carlos Cutie of Ilson* Report 29 Jan 2024 16:19

Friend has just found Eliza's Birth Certificate out.

3rd October 1884 is the Date given

So on that basis searched for a possible re-marriage in Ashton.

Walker, Frank - 1928 in Ashton. Living in Droylsden, Lancashire in 1939.

Then to Ginnever, David - 1947 in Chesterfield

Death - Ginnever, Eliza Birth abt 1885, -Year - 1951 in Chesterfield, Derbyshire.

:-D

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 Jan 2024 16:44

"Think I've sorted Edna May's Marriage out. Arthur Shawcross in 1924 in Ashton and found them in 1939 Register. Mistranscribed as 'Shallanoss' "

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Shallcross Alfred Wilson Ashton 8d 1123 ****************************
Wilson Edna M Shallcross Ashton 8d 1123

Name Alfred Shallcross
Death Age 77
Birth Date 2 Sep 1904
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1981
Registration district Tameside
Inferred County Greater Manchester
Volume 39
Page 1659


Name Edna May Shallcross
Death Age 87
Birth Date 18 May 1907
Registration Date Mar 1995
Registration district Manchester
Inferred County Greater Manchester
Register Number I52B
District and Subdistrict 0061I
Entry Number 34


Daughter

SHALLCROSS, JOYCE GLORIA WILSON
GRO Reference: 1931 M Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 926


SAXTON, JOYCE GLORIA 1930
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2019 in TAMESIDE (014-1C) Entry Number 518941573

Son

SHALLCROSS, EDWIN JOHN WILSON
GRO Reference: 1924 S Quarter in ASHTON UNDER LYNE Volume 08D Page 677

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2024 17:31

I looked for Ivy birth but it’s not on the gro or freebmd even though she was supposedly born in Derbyshire also mmn chapman

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 Jan 2024 17:39

Maybe

Name Ivy Wilson
Death Age 63
Birth Date 7 Jul 1918
Registration Date Oct 1981
[Nov 1981]
[Dec 1981]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Derby
Inferred County Derbyshire
Volume 6
Page 0924