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Grand Father's first wife.

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David

David Report 2 Mar 2018 15:44


My late Mother was Ella Doreen Atkinson b1929 - d1994 fact
Her Father, my GF was Thomas Atkinson b 1880 -d 1957 fact
My GGF was John Atkinson fact
My GGGF was Joseph Atkinson fact

In 1928 my GF married his second wife Janet Stewart d 1945
I know this because I had their wedding and death certificates.

What I would like to know is my GF's first wife. He was a widower when he remarried.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2018 15:59

Have you found him on the 1939 register

Edit nope that won't work because he remarried before then

What area did they live

Have you located him on any census
Do you have occupations for them

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2018 16:11

Not seeing the marriage so presume it was Scotland ???

If so you need Scotlands People website which isn't a subs site

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:11

for my ref
Ella born Newcastle mmn Stewart

assume Janet also married before

Marriages Sep 1928 (>99%)
Atkinson Thomas Dodds Newcastle T. 10b 225

Dodds Janet A Atkinson Newcastle T. 10b 225

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2018 16:12

Births Mar 1929
Atkinson Ella D Stewart Newcastle T. 10b 97

Edit
Ah ok would have helped to know Janet had also been married before

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:14

David can you confirm this is the right Thomas, father John

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mawson Street, Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

John Atkinson Head Married Male 48 1843 England Engineman Steamboat
Mary A Atkinson Wife Married Female 43 1848 Durham, England - Transcription
Alice Atkinson Daughter Married Female 22 1869 Newcastle, England -
Joseph Atkinson Son Single Male 20 1871 England Shipmate
John W Atkinson Son Single Male 18 1873 England Fireman Steamboat
George Atkinson Son - Male 14 1877 England Sailmaker
Thomas Atkinson Son - Male 11 1880 England Scholar <<<<
Mary A Atkinson Daughter - Female 8 1883 England Scholar
Jane Atkinson Daughter - Female 4 1887 England -
Henry Atkinson Son - Male 2 1889 England -

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:18

If that 1891 correct

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Church Walk, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

John Atkinson Head Married Male 57 1844 Newcastle General Labourer Transcription
Mary Atkinson Wife Married Female 53 1848 Newcastle -
Thomas Atkinson Son Single Male 21 1880 Newcastle Shipyard Labourer
Jane Atkinson Daughter Single Female 14 1887 Newcastle -
Henry Atkinson Son Single Male 12 1889 Newcastle -

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2018 16:21

You have Ella's birthplace as Newcastle on your GR tree.

Giving that info with your request would make helping you so much easier

And, of course, Ella was a child of the second marriage....................

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2018 16:21

He is still single and living at home in 1901

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:23

There's around 12 marriages ( Newcastle) for a Thomas Atkinson between 1901 and 1928 second marriage, so may be difficult!

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:24

David do you know if there were any children to the first marriage? That would narrow it down a bit perhaps.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2018 16:27

?????????? living in Byker

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Back Stepney Bank, Byker, Northumberland, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Atkinson Head Married Male 31 1880 Shieldfield N C Cartman Transcription
Maggie Keough Housekeeper Married Female 30 1881 Glasgow Scotland Housekeeper Transcription
John Keough Atkinson Son - Male 5 1906 Shieldfield N C - Transcription
Alice Keough Atkinson Daughter - Female 3 1908 Melbourne St N C - Transcription
Margaret Keough Atkinson Daughter - Female 2 1909 Melbourne St N C

What was Thomas's occupation when he married in 1928?

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:28

Just while I have it on screen

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
ATKINSON John Newcastle T. 10b 31
Scott Mary Ann Newcastle T. 10b 31

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2018 16:32

Possibles

Marriages Mar 1903
Atkinson Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 59
Brydon Isabella Newcastle T. 10b 59
Hedley Edward Newcastle T. 10b 59
McLean Margaret Newcastle T. 10b. 59



Marriages Jun 1908
ATKINSON Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 143
Broun John William Newcastle T 10b 143
BROWN John William Newcastle T. 10b 143
FLINT Ethel Vera Newcastle T. 10b 143
GIFFORD Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b. 143



Marriages Mar 1910
Atkinson Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 61
BRIDER Beatrice Newcastle T. 10b 61
POTTS Margaret Ann Newcastle T. 10b 61
SIMPSON Richard Newcastle T


Marriages Dec 1911
Atkinson Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 294
Brown Rosina Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 294
Noakes Charles W Newcastle T. 10b 294
Taylor Theresa Newcastle T.

Quite a few more from then too on freebmd

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:40

The 1911 with Maggie Keough, Thomas given as single...he evidently didn't marry Maggie?

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:43

Thought so

Previous thread......

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1356498

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:45

David, leaving aside the fact you could just have flagged up that there WAS a previous thread with lots of info on already

Can you confirm this

"
Ralph, my Mother's brother, senior in years is on a way memorial, he was killed in action in WW11 and his name is given as Ralph Atkinson"

Do you know when Ralph was born? EDIT going from possibles for the death assume born 1925 ish, so this one??? if mother was Janet in her first married name ( and used it as mmn also) Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
DODD Ralph Dodd Newcastle T. 10b 237

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:47

For ref as it saves time

"David Report 3 Dec 2015 18:22
If I have ever at any time mentioned my Grandfather Thomas Atkinson in a thread seeking help about his wives and children then I apologise NOW
My Grand Father Thomas Atkinson was married more than once and fathered several children. My Mother Ella Doreen Atkinson being the youngest b1928-d1994
Mother had several brothers and sisters. All had Thomas Atkinson for a Father.
GF was a widower when he married Janet Stewart Dodds a widow abt1919 Janet died in 1945 Janet had been married to a chair maker from South Shields(?)
Thomas had been married to woman called Rutherford who I know was the Mother of his son Joseph.
Other sons to Thomas were, George, Ralph, and others. His daughters were named Alice, May, Ethel, Nellie, Janet and my Mother Ella Doreen..

What I don't know and seek help with is which of the children were born to Rutherford and which to JANET STEWART DODDS"

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 16:58

So you mention a son Joseph on the other thread

? ATKINSON, JOSEPH CUNNINGHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1916 D Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE Volume 10B Page 209

which is to this marriage

Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%)
Atkinson Thomas Cunningham Newcastle T. 10b 40[56]

Not mmn Rutherford who you also mentioned who married a different Atkinson?
Marriages Dec 1912 (>99%)
Atkinson John M Rutherford Newcastle T 10b 283

Nyx

Nyx Report 2 Mar 2018 17:13

For ref as it's got so complicated

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION

Atkinson Household (5 People)
186 Portland Road , Newcastle-upon-Tyne C.B., Northumberland, England

Janet A (Jenner* error crossed through) Atkinson 15 Oct 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 40 2
Thomas Atkinson 27 Feb 1880 Male Corporation Labourer Married 40 1
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Ella Irvine (Atkinson) 01 Jan 1929 Female At School Single 40 5

Oddly Ella seems to be listed here also?


Marshall Household (4 People)
9 Woodlands Road , Barnard Castle U.D., Durham, England


Ella D Atkinson 01 Jan 1929 Female At School Single 168 3
Beatrice M Marshall 11 Aug 1893 Female Private Means Single 168 1
Mary A W Marshall 10 Nov 1895 Female Private Means Single 168 2
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