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Hello,

I was wondering if anyone could maybe point me in the right direction.

My Great-Grandfather and his Brother were placed into an orphanage in the 1920's due to their Mother's death in the area of Poplar, London. They were split up and my Great-Grandfather never knew what happened to his Brother. He would not talk about this situation when he was alive as he wasn't a very open person. All we were told is that they were placed into an orphanage and my Great-Grandfather ran away from the orphanage leaving his Brother there and never seeing him again.

For years we have been trying to find out what happened to my Great-Grandfathers Brother but we always seem to hit a brick wall.

I have exhausted ancestry searches, been to the London Metropolitan archives, Barnardo's, death certificates, Birth certificates. Children's homes that I thought they may have been in all seem to have no records.

I am still none the wiser as to what actually happened to them both as children, other than what my Great-Grandad had told us.

Does anyone have any advice as to what I can do or where I can go to maybe help me along with my search. If I have missed any details out then please let me know.

Regards
Will

Have you found the births

Looked on the 1939 register etc

If you want to give names then we can try to help

Hi, thanks for the reply.

I have birth certificates for both of them but can only find my Great-Grandfather on the 1939 register.

Their details are....

Frederick Nelson Mardon born 1912 Chelsea, London Died 1996, Greenwich, London. (My Great-Grandfather)

Alfred George Mardon born 1924 Poplar, London.

Bertha Rivett Born 1881 Norfolk: Died 1927 Poplar, London. (Mother)

Frederick John Mardon Born 1870 Margate, Kent :Death Unknown. (Father)

1939 Register


Mardon Household (5 People)

31a Glenforth Street , Greenwich, London, England


Frederick N Mardon 21 Oct 1912 Male Gas Stoker Heavy Work Married 270 1
Bertha F Mardon 19 Dec 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 270 2
Vera (F) Wills (Mardon) 22 Jan 1933 Female At School Single 270 3
Frederick A Mardon 31 Jan 1936 Male Under School Age Single 270 4

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
MARDON Frederick N Rivett Chelsea 1a 651

Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Mardon Alfred G Rivett Poplar 1c 693

???

Alfred George Marden
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alfred George Marden
Death Age: 57
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1924
Registration Date: Mar 1982
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 0611


A tree on Ancestry says that your Alfred's DOB was 18 Aug 1924, but doesn't provide proof.
You say you have the birth cert - is that the correct date?.

If you do an address search on the 1939 Register for 76 Finchley Park, Friern Barnet, Frederick J. Mardon is listed (dob 3/1/1870) as a Cook, with a Martha M Wood (dob 17/10/1868) (Housekeeper) living at the same address. I can't find them by any other method - they have obviously been mis-transcribed somehow.





London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911

Name: Fred Jno Mardon

Gender: Male

Age: 10

Birth Date: 3 Jan 1870

Admission Date: 16 Feb 1880

School: Creek Road School

Admission Place: Greenwich

Father: Saml Hen Mardon




England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Frederick John Mardon

Gender: Male

Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1871

Baptism Place: St. John the Baptist, Margate, Kent, England

Father: Samuel Henry Mardon

Mother: Martha Celia

being young alfred g could have been adopted as not finding a marriage or death with that name

Have posted a possible death above.



??

Marriages Dec 1945 (>99%)

Marden Alfred G Squires Surrey Mid.E. 2a 448
Squires Ellen F Marden Surrey Mid.E. 2a 448

??


Deaths Mar 1943

MARDON Frederick J 72 Hendon 3a 713

Thank you very much for your help everyone! I'm not sure on how to reply to people individually...

Alfreds Birth date on his Brith Dertificate is the 18th August 1924 so it appears that it is him @Argyllgran thank you very much for your help. It just seems his surname has been spelt en instead of on, which I have noticed when looking through others trees on ancestry with regards to the spelling of Mardon.

@Choccy thank you also for your help. The 1939 census for Frederick John is one I wasn't able to find probably due to the reasons you stated! What's interesting is Frederick Johns Mother was called Martha Wood but with the middle name Celia.... Maybe there is some family connection there between them!

@Choccy, sorry but how do I do an address search? was that on here or Ancestry?

I used FindMyPast Will.

Ah ok thank you! unfortunately I'm not a member of FindMyPast

On Ancestry -

Search 1939 Register -

on the right hand side it says 'Browse Collection' - type in County: Middlesex
District: Friern Barnet
Enumeration District: BHAH
You then need to go to Page 14 of 24

Martha Wood and Frederick Mordon are listed at No. 76 Finchley Park

Thank you choccy for your help. Now saved!

Frederick John Mardon was married to an Emily Jane Martin in 1899 but seems to have never gotten divorced from her... Was it not something you could do in those days?

On Bertha Rivetts death certificate he is listed as the informant but has said she is a 'spinster' and also on her admissions to the Poplar & Stepney Sick Asylum he has simply said he was her 'friend' but then on both birth certificates of the boys she has been given the surname Mardon formerly Rivett. :-S

Not cheap to get divorced then -

think this is possibly Emily in 1939


Mardon Household (1 Person)

48 Borough Street , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England


Emily J Mardon 19 Nov 1870 Female Private Means Married 300 1


NB If you look at the original, there are in fact others living at that address, none of whom appear to be family members


and probable death -


Deaths Mar 1945

Mardon Emily J 74 Brighton 2b 377

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995


Name: Emily Jane Mardon

Death Date: 1 Mar 1945

Death Place: Brighton, England

Probate Date: 22 May 1945

Registry: Llandudno

of 58 Montpelier Road, Brighton, Widow, Administration (with Will) to Harry Moore, retired Foreman.
Effects - £274 12s 7d

Thanks very much for you help and for giving me some more information Choccy, much appreciated!

Death for Alfred's wife:

name(s) NELLIE FRANCES MARDEN
Gender Female
Birth date 27th September 1924
Death quarter 1
Death year 1993
District Sutton
District number 2541A
Register number A46A
Entry number 209
Date of registration mm/yy 0293
County Surrey
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Probate:

MARDEN NELLIE FRANCES of 19 Egleston Road St. Helier Morden Surrey died 15 February 1993 Probate Winchester 8 June Not Exceeding £125000
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Four possible children to the marriage
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Electoral register:

1948
15 Green Close Carshalton
Alfred G Marden
Nellie F Marden
Charles H Squires (snr)
Irene F Squires
Jane Squires

1959
34 Whitland Road Carshalton
Alfred G Marden
Nellie F Marden

1965
19 Egleston Road Morden
Alfred G Marden
Nellie F Marden