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John Angus Burnside (Royal Woolwich Arsenal)

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Ian Report 22 Nov 2019 17:08

I am looking for information about John Angus Burnside who is described as "an examiner of small arms ammunition" at Woolwich in the 1901 census. Presumably part of the Ordnance Corps.He died in 1939 and on his death certificate he is described as an "overlooker at Royal Arsenal (retired)" I would assume he was still active during WW1. Does anyone know where I could get any records. Are there any pension records. I really need to find his date of birth.


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:14

You can see from his death record approx when he was born

First name(s) JOHN A
Last name BURNSIDE
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1870
Age 69
Death quarter 1
Death year 1939
District Woolwich
County London
Volume 1D
Page 1398

Birthplace info

John Burnside Head Married Male 30 1871 Examiner Of Small Arms Ammunition Woolwich, Kent, England
Ellen J Burnside Daughter Married Female 29 1872 - Westfield, Norfolk, England
Cecilia V Burnside Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Woolwich, Kent, England

Find his marriage - get the cert for father's name

Is this his birth?

First name(s) John
Last name Burnside
Sex Male
Birth year 1870
Place Woolwich
Country England
Organisation Armed Forces
Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 To 1924)
General Register Office
Archive reference REG2
Record's year range 1870
Page 25
Volume 1421
Line number 81


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:15

Don't know when he added a second forename

First name(s) JOHN
Last name BURNSIDE
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1898

JOHN BURNSIDE married one of these people

Ellen Jane Bush, Annie Edith Bradley

District Woolwich


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:21

Name: John Burnside
Event: Baptism
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1870
Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1870
Baptism Place: Woolwich
Father: John Burnside
Mother: Margaret Burnside

Name: John Angus Burnside
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: 30 Jan 1939
Burial or Cremation Date: 6 Feb 1939
Burial or Cremation Place: Greenwich, London, England


Ian Report 22 Nov 2019 17:22

Thanks for quick reply. I have the birth certificate of A John Burnside born Woolwich in 1870 but unfortunately the middle name ANGUS does not appear on it. I therefore need to find alternate records to verify the d,o.b. to link the two documents john Angus died just before the 1939 registration so that is another avenue closed to me.


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:25

If that's your man in 1901, he added the ANGUS later

Please delete your post on Military - not allowed to duplicate requests

The answer is to get a copy of his marriage cert, to cross-refer father's details


malyon Report 22 Nov 2019 17:29

John Angus Burnside
England, London Electoral Registers, 1847-1913

John Angus Burnside

Event Type:
Event Date:
Event Place:
Borough of Woolwich, London, England


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:30

1911 for family

Name: Cecilia Burnside
Age in 1911: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1901
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
Search Photos: Search for 'Plumstead' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 53 Llanover Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, Kent S E
Occupation: SCHOOL
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Plumstead West
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 2889
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Webb 47
Ellen Burnside 39.......Sister in Law
Cecilia Burnside 10
Leonard Burnside 7
Voilet Burnside 1


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:31

Who registered his death?

If it was Ellen, or one of the known offspring, that corroborates the other info


ArgyllGran Report 22 Nov 2019 17:35

John Bernside
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Bernside
Age: 1/12
Estimated birth year: 1871
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich Kent England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 253
Piece: 778
Folio: 50
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bernside 52 - Ireland, gunner Royal Artillery
Margaret Bernside 28 - Ireland
Mary E Bernside 3 - Portsmouth
Margaret Bernside 1 - Gosport
John Bernside 1/12
Lucy Flannery 66 - mother-in-law

John Burnside
in the 1881 England Census
Name: John Burnside
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Son
Mother: Margaret Burnside
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 7 Robert St
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 743
Folio: 40
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Burnside 40 - widow, Ireland (Clonmel)
Mary E. Burnside 14
Margaret Burnside 12
John Burnside 10
Elizabeth Burnside 8
William B. Burnside 5
Theresa A. Burnside 3

John Burnside
in the 1891 England Census
Name: John Burnside
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1871
Mother: Margt Burnside
Birth Place: Woolwich
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Residence Place: Woolwich, Woolwich, London, England
Sub registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, Institution or Vessel: 8
Piece: 533
Folio: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Margt Burnside 46 - Tipperary
Mary Burnside 23
Margt Burnside 21
John Burnside 20
Elizth Burnside 17
Thirza Burnside 12


ErikaH Report 22 Nov 2019 17:35

GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1189


malyon Report 22 Nov 2019 17:37

John Burnside
England and Wales Census, 1891

John Burnside
Event Type:
Event Date:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Registration District:
Marital Status:
Labourer Gen
Relationship to Head of Household:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Page Number:
Registration Number:
533/ 74
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Margt Burnside Head Female 46 England
Mary Burnside Daughter Female 23 England
Margt Burnside Daughter Female 21 England
John Burnside Son Male 20 England
Eliza Burnside Daughter Female 17 Dublin
Thirza Burnside Daughter Female 12 England


malyon Report 22 Nov 2019 17:43

there is this john angus

John Angus Burnside
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
John Angus Burnside
Event Type:
Event Date:
29 May 1898
Event Place:
Mundon, Essex, England, United Kingdom
[Nevendon, Essex, England, United Kingdom]
[Navestock, Essex, England, United Kingdom]
[Netteswell, Essex, England, United Kingdom]
[Mucking, Essex, England, United Kingdom]
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Annie Elizabeth Millen
Spouse's Marital Status:


Ian Report 22 Nov 2019 17:51

Thanks to everyone who replied. I am very grateful. He did marry Ellen Bush. I have the marriage certificate for that which I know is correct although he doesn't use Angus on that either. My problem is I need to verify that the John Burnside born Woolwich in 28th August 1870 is Indeed John Angus. If I can do that I can then link him with John Burnside and Margaret Ryan who were both Irish. The doubt is the family have always insisted that John Angus Burnside had SCOTTISH roots but I can find no evidence of this fact..


ArgyllGran Report 22 Nov 2019 17:52

GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 859

GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in ALVERSTOKE Volume 02B Page 488

GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 421


ArgyllGran Report 22 Nov 2019 17:56

As Erika has already asked - who is the informant on his death cert?

Isn't his father's name given there? Or wife's name?


ArgyllGran Report 22 Nov 2019 18:07

John Angus Burnside
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: John Angus Burnside
Electoral Date: 1919
Street address: 6 Ordnance Road
Ward or Division/Constituency: Woolwich
County or Borough: Newham, England

No other Burnsides with him.

At same address in 1918.


Ian Report 22 Nov 2019 18:14

As it was 1939 no informant is given nor name of parent. These became standard of course along with date of birth from the late 1960's. The worrying thing he died on 30th January 1939. Age at death given is 69 years. If this is correct it rules out John Burnside born Woolwich August 1870 as he would not have been 69 for another 8 months. It could of course have been a lazy mistake..When was he born ? 1870. What is the year now? 1939. Subtract the two you arrive at 69. Lets face it they were not as particular with records in years gone by as they are today.


ArgyllGran Report 22 Nov 2019 18:17

Does the death cert give his address?

(Presumably not - you'd have followed that up.)


Ian Report 22 Nov 2019 18:35

Yes his final address was 79 Brookhill Road in Woolwich but for some reason actual death after a massive heart attack was at Woolwich New Road opposite Sandy Hill Road. Could this be a hospital? How can this help us find a date of birth