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James Robinson born about 1831 in Lancashire and Jane Duckworth born about 1834 also in Lancashire married at Newchurch Lancashire in 1854.
I think they had at least 2 children John Robert Robinson born 1854 and
Abraham born 1855 and died same year. The children were born in Newchurch.
I have a feeling that there are more children but I can’t find them and I would be grateful if someone could look at the 1861 and the 1871 census.
Many thanks.

Have you looked on the gro site for children born with mmn duckworth

John Robert Robinson
Age: 4/12
Birth Date: abt 1854
Burial Date: 1 Nov 1854
Burial Place: Newchurch in Rossendale, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Newchurch
Search Photos: Search for 'Newchurch in Rossendale, St Nicholas' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: James Robinson
Mother: Jane Robinson
Reference Number: GB127.L75/1/5/4



View Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: John Robert Robinson
Baptism Date: 20 Aug 1854
Baptism Place: Rochdale, St Chad, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Rochdale
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Father: James Robinson
Mother: Jane Robinson
Reference Number: L48/1/3/10
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 645


The two births


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ROBINSON, ABRAHAM DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 76
ROBINSON, JOHN ROBERT DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in HASLINGDEN Volume 08E Page 85

I’ve looked on the Lancashirebmd where I found John Robert and Abraham but couldn’t find any more. Lots of Robinson/Duckworth children but from all over Lancashire so I couldn’t decide if they belonged to James and Jane. I know they could have moved in to another area. Also looked on the freebmd and couldn’t even find John Robert or Abraham on that site.

Abraham Robinson
Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1855
Burial Date: 3 Nov 1855
Burial Place: Newchurch in Rossendale, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Newchurch
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Father: James Robinson
Mother: Jane Robinson
Reference Number: GB127.L75/1/5/4

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

No more children by 1861

James Robinson
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wardleworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Rochdale
Sub-registration District: Wardleworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 222
Piece: 3044
Folio: 102
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
James Robinson 30
Jane Robinson 30

Possibly two more children

He was a widower by 1881

James Robinson
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wardleworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 1 Cottage Yard Lomax St
Marital status: Widower
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Unemployed
Registration District: Rochdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4116
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
James Robinson 49
Mary Robinson 14
Richard Robinson 12
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Source Citation
Class: RG11; Piece: 4116; Folio: 23; Page: 39; GSU roll: 1341985
Source Information


ROBINSON, RICHARD DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 65


ROBINSON, MARY JANE DUCKWORTH
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 53


Edit could be a different family

Burial: 1 Nov 1854 St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
John Robert Robinson - Son of James Robinson & Jane
Age: 4 months
Abode: Bridleway
Buried by: J. B. Phillips Incumbent
Register: Burials 1848 - 1860, Page 125, Entry 1000
Source: Original Parish Register


Burial: 3 Nov 1855 St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
Abraham Robinson - Son of James Robinson & Jane
Age: 2 weeks
Abode: Bridleway
Buried by: J. B. Phillips Incumbent
Register: Burials 1848 - 1860, Page 145, Entry 1157
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 28 Mar 1869 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Richard Robinson - Son of James Robinson & Jane
Born: 12 Nov 1868
Abode: Lomax Street
Occupation: Dyer
Notes: Easter Day
Baptised by: Alfred Salts, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1871, Page 18, Entry 141
Source: LDS film 2356446 [Item2]


Baptism: 19 Aug 1866 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Robinson - Daughter of James Robinson & Jane
Born: 9 Jun 1866
Abode: Lomax Street
Occupation: Dyer
Baptised by: J. F. Jenkin, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1865 - 1871, Page 45, Entry 353
Source: LDS film 2356446 [Item2]

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Year Sub-District Registers At Reference
ROBINSON Jane 47 1878 Wardleworth Rochdale W/35/86

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lomax Street, Wardleworth, Rochdale, Lancashire, England

John Robinson Head - Male 39 1832 - DYER- Lancashire, England
Jane Robinson Wife - Female 39 1832 - Yorkshire, England
Mary Jane Robinson Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Lancashire, England
Richard Robinson Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
ROBINSON Richard GREENFIELD Eliza Ann 1892 Rochdale Register Office or Registrar Attended Rochdale RM/91/63

Name: Richard Robinson
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Eliza Am Robinson.................................born Dudley
Birth Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Rochdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Chad
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Rochdale
Sub-registration District: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Piece: 3834
Folio: 139
Page Number: 3
Household Schedule Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Robinson 32
Eliza Am Robinson 28
Arthur Robinson 7
Harry Robinson 5
Albert Robinson 3
Frank Robinson 8/12

1939 (Note DoB)

Name: Richard Robinson
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Nov 1868
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 13 Bonser Road
Residence Place: Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Engineer Machine Shop Fore??
Line Number: 10
Schedule Number: 108
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BUDS
Borough: Twickenham
Registration District: 128/2
Household Members:
Name
Richard Robinson
Eliza A Robinson Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 15 May 1872
Nora Robinson Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1906
Edith Robinson Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1908

Many thanks to you all for your help. It’s greatly appreciated. It will take time to read and digest.

Marriage: 23 Oct 1890 St Clement, Spotland, Lancashire, England
Robert Phythian - 24, Tinplate Worker, Bachelor, Bridge St.
Mary Jane Robinson - 23, Spinster, Lomax St.
Groom's Father: Richard Phythian, Carter
Bride's Father: James Robinson, Dyer
Witness: John Eastwood; Sarah Ann Stott
Married by Licence by: Kenyon R. Hoyle
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1892, Page 228, Entry 456
Source: LDS Family Search


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
New Barn Lane, Castleton, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Robert Phythian Head Married Male 26 1865 Tin Plate Worker Stockport, Cheshire, England
Mary J Phythian Wife Married Female 25 1866 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Richard Phythian Son - Male 2 1889 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
33, Bedford Street, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Robert Phythian Head Married Male 35 1866 Tin Plate Worker Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Mary J Phythian Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Richard Phythian Son - Male 12 1889 Piecer Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Harry Phythian Son - Male 9 1892 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Percy Phythian Son - Male 5 1896 - Rochdale, Lancashire, England


1911 Census For England & Wales
18 Durham Street Rochdale, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Robert Phythian Head Married Male 46 1865 Foreman Street Metal Worker Stockport
Mary Jane Phythian Wife Married Female 46 1865 - Rochdale
Harry Phythian Son Single Male 20 1891 Joiner Rochdale
Percy Phythian Son Single Male 16 1895 Provision Warehouse Rochdale

FOUR children born in marriage - ONE has died


1939
1 Ventnor Avenue, Whiteway, Bristol C.B., Gloucestershire, England
Percy Phythian 20 Jul 1895 Male Foreman Aircraft Inspector Married 196 1
Ivy Phythian 13 Dec 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 196 2
Renee M Miles (Phythian) 12 Aug 1920 Female Chocolate Packer Single 196 3
The record for this person is officially closed
Mary J Phythian 09 Jun 1866 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 196 5


DEATH

First name(s) MARY J
Last name PHYTHIAN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1867
Age 73
Death quarter 1
Death year 1940
District Bristol

PHYTHIAN, HARRY ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 22
PHYTHIAN, RICHARD ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 56
PHYTHIAN, ARTHUR ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 9
PHYTHIAN, PERCY ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in ROCHDALE Volume 08E Page 15

I wondered if I could ask one last favour please.
James was born in 1831c in Wardlesworth, Rochdale and married Jane Duckworth at St Nicholas Church, Newchurch, in 1854. Is it possible to look up their wedding details so I would know who their fathers were?
I have sent an email to the church concerned but not sure if they will be able to help due to the Covid crisis or even if that’s the best way to go about getting the information.
Many thanks

Marriage: 14 Mar 1854 St Nicholas, Newchurch in Rossendale, Lancashire, England
James Robinson - (X), of full age, Labourer, Widower, Newchurch
Jane Duckworth - (X), of full age, Throstle Spinner, Spinster, Newchurch
Groom's Father: James Robinson, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Duckworth, Sawyer
Witness: Edward Lord, (X); Elizabeth Welsh, (X)
Married by Banns by: J. B. Phillips, M. A.
Register: Marriages 1853 - 1864, Page 21, Entry 41
Source: Original Parish Register

That brilliant. Thank you.