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Hello,
Seeking ANY info no matter how small on George henry Wilkins born approx. 1911/1912 in Birkenhead England .
Parents listed as Albert Edward Wilkins and Margaret Duff.
George was sent to Canada as a 10 year old to be placed on farms for approx. 10 years.
After returning to England he married Hannah Hampson and had 4 children.
Then relocating to Australia married Marjory Pither having 2 children.
After Marjory died
George remarried Deborah Trafford having approx. another further 6 children before dying in Queensland in around 2000.

Any info gratefully appreciated
Many thanks Shelia

Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page Transcriber
Births Mar 1912
Wilkins George H. Duff Birkenhead 8a 1063

His birth entry.

This is possibly his outward journey to Canada.


Name: George Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1912
Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Minnedosa
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Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 142717
Master: R Sibbons.

I cant see a marriage for the parents in England/Wales,,

His return journey to UK.and is returning to Birkinhead.


Name: George Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1912
Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada

Return journey to UK.

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Name: George Henry Wilkins
Arrival Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1911
Port of Departure: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 3 Sep 1932
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Belfast; Greenock
Ship Name: Montcalm
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Official Number: 165903
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going to 10 Robetrts Street Birkinhead.

You seem to know a lot already. What more do you hope for?

On freebmd there are seven Wilkins/Hampson births between 1935 and 1945

You have a lot of info on him in your Ancestry tree, mainly about his time in Australia.

I assume you hope to find out about his parents and other birth family, and more about his time in Canada?

His UK address on returning from Canada to the UK in 1932 (record posted by Kay above) was 19 Robert Street, Birkenhead.

On your tree you have his mother as Margaret Duff, but his father simply as Wilkins.
Is there some doubt about his father's first names - or is it just that you found out his first names since last accessing your tree?

He wasn't at 19 Robert Street in 1939.

Harry and Dorah Hughes (nee Southern) lived there then, with (presumably) two children - closed records..

First wife + two children in 1939
Name: Hannah Wilkins
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 26 May 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 265C Upper Parliament St
Residence Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 204
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: NHOP
Borough: Liverpool
Registration district: 453-5
Household Members: 1

TWO closed records


George is not listed

Do you have his birth cert?

If not, how did you find out the names of his parents?

What was his father's occupation?

The information about George’s parents would have been on his Australian death certificate.

Edit: known children can also be listed

But only 'as known' to the infomant, one assumes?

The first child of the marriage to Hannah died in infancy, which fits nicely with 2 closed records on 1939 register

Deaths Dec 1935 (>99%)
Wilkins George T 0 Liverpool S. 8b 129

In the case I am aware of that could be supposed. Only the child of the first marriage was shown, the child from the second was fostered then adopted after the mother died of birth complications and other children have been found via DNA testing.

The names of the parents and the details of the first child must have been in his personal paperwork. Nothing from his last marriage was shown.

Three of his offspring

Name: Master Warren Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 13
Birth Date: abt 1937
Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Largs Bay

Name: Miss Rita A Wilkins
Gender: Female
Age: 9
Birth Date: abt 1941
Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Largs Bay

Name: Master George H Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birth Date: abt 1939
Departure Date: 31 Mar 1950
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Largs Bay

Last address in UK
The Fairbridge Society, 38, Holland Villas Road, London

So they were put in some sort of 'care', and shipped off to Australia

https://www.princes-trust.org.uk/about-the-trust/research-policies-reports/fairbridge-society

Three younger children still to account for

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Name: Mr G H Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Birth Date: abt 1912
Departure Date: 30 Aug 1950
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Asturias
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LKA--18,Blantyre Road Liverpool 15 Lancs..


OCC liisted as Dairy Farm Hand.

George must have sent the children ahead of him and got them a paid passage>

Til FAIRBRIDGE SOCIETY Hi FAIRBRIDGE SOCIETY Will you give him the same happiness and opportunity as other children at our farm schools in Australia It costs £30 but please send something. This appeal is made through the generosity of a friend. President
07 May 1955 - The Sphere - London, London, England.

The children were being sent to the Fairbridge Farm School, Molong, NSW, as per their arrival records at Fremantle

Name: Miss Rita A Wilkins
Departure Place: Southampton, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 30 Apr 1950
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Largs Bay
plus the two boys

Thank you all for the information it is greatly appreciated.
I have only what George put on his Marriage cert. to my grandmother Marjory, (2nd wife).. He has listed his parents as Albert edward Wilkins -dock labourer- deceased and mother as Margaret Duff. And his birth date at 17 dec 1911.
However when cross check cannot find a duff giving birth in 1911 only for 1912
And no marriage link between his parents
So main problem is getting past George to find correct parents and possible siblings.

Again Thank you all very much.

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what is the address on his birth cert

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

21 Alfred Road Seacombe Wallasey, Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire, England


Albert's occupation

Dock Labourer

13,583 people nearby also had that occupation.
See who they were
Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Albert Wilkins Head Widower Male 43 1868 Dock Labourer Hepton Mallet Somerset
Lottie Saunders Illegitimate Daughter - Female 7 1904 - New Brighton Wallasey
Minnie Saunders Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Seacombe Wallasey

Births Mar 1912
Wilkins George H .... Duff..... Birkenhead 8a 1063

For a birth in the second half of December, it is quite common to see a registration in the March quarter of the following year.

A copy of the birth certificate would show an address which should help locate the parents in 1911 census.

Hi,
Many thanks for info on birth registration, clears things immensely.

Address almost spot on, listed as 5 Victoria grove Poolton cum Seacombe England

Many thanks
:-D

Sounds like he was a BHC

I am on the British home child site on ancestry as my mums elder half sister was also a BHC in 1909 aged 10


So George Wilkins
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Birth Date: abt 1912
Departure Date: 14 Sep 1922
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Minnedosa
Search Ship Database: Search for the Minnedosa in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway
Official Number: 142717
Master: R Sibb

He was with a large group of dr Barnardos children

You can apply for his records if you are a next if kin

They are costly though and can take up to a years to be supplied,
But due to COVID they aren’t accepting any requests at the moment