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In my family there are two women whose forenames are Archesidella. Has anyone ever heard / seen that name before? I have a suspicion it may be a gyspy name. I can't find out its origin.

Any suggestions welcome.

have you tried googling the name

I googled this name no matches sorry. Closest was Argus.

http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=Archesidella

Found a Hotel in Italy ....ARCHIDELLA quite near !! on Google.

maybe its a mistranscription,?

what era?

I found 'Idella' - a Mexican name.

I think that is more likely an inability to spell.
Archiscidella Biggins abt 1871 1873 Gateshead Durham, Tyne and Wear
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Archrscidella Biggins abt 1871 1873 Gateshead Durham, Tyne and Wear
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Mary Ann Archycidella Gilbertson 1849 Camberwell Greater London, London, Surrey
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Archisadella Lander abt 1810 1876 Lichfield Staffordshire
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Archithadella May Rogers abt 1894 1895 Lichfield Staffordshire
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Archi_Idella Skidmore abt 1804 1875 Gateshead Durham, Tyne and Wear
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Archisadella Skidmore 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
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Archisidella Skidmore abt 1874 1874 Gateshead Durham, Tyne and Wear
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Archadella Walker 1842 Stafford Staffordshire

Thank you everyone. I tried Googling the name but only came up with an Indian male name, Archis.

The lady in my family was born in 1867 in Lichfield area of the west midlands. One census record has an elderly lady boarding at her parents house with the same name and surname, Archesidella Brookes.

Thanks, Sat Nav. I wondered if it had gypsy connections as there was supposedly some family involvement with a travelling circus.

Thank you, everyone.

I have hoardes of gypsies in my tree but dont recognise the name, it may be slightly mistranscribed? Or made up? Have you got access to the 1911 census? Other clues to gypsy heritage are occupations, gypsy surnames, and where/how they were living.

No other clues. She married a miner and her name was Brookes before marriage. I have now discovered other women with the name (different spellings) spead over the West Midlands area where she lived and wonder if they might be connected. One is an Archisadella Deakin whose name I found in an article from a Shropshire newspaper about a woman convicted of stealing turnips. I'm told Deakin is a gypsy name.

Thanks for your reply

Name: Archisidella Brooks
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brownhills, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Great Harwood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: West View
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Servant Domestic

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Harwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Noble 49
Mercy Noble 49
Ella Noble 22
Archisidella Brooks 24

I entered Arch?s?d?ll? on ancestry ...... and there's quite a few of them around.


The earliest I found was a reference on a Public Family Tree to an Archisadella Hicken married 13 May 1759 - Morville, Shropshire
Spouse: John Langford

it's an interesting name, that's for sure!




sylvia

Incidentally, if you put Archisidella in Google ...... it raises 2 references


one of which is this thread!



sylvia

CHILD OF
ARCHIE and DELLA

Is this the older woman, in 1871?

Thomas Brooks 28
Ellen Brooks 26
William H Brooks 6
Sarah A Brooks 2
Joseph Brooks 1 Month
Mary Brooks 1 Month
Archus Brooks 74 - female, widowed, boarder - that's what it looks like, "Archus"

But those can't be the younger one's parents.

Do you have your woman's actual birth record? I can't see anything resembling, or her marriage, or see her in other censuses, or see or a death record for the older one.

A couple of other variants in censuses:

Name: Arcissadella Morris
Birth: abt 1882 - Worfield, Shropshire, England
Residence: 1891 - Rindleford, Worfield, Shropshire, England

Name: Archisadella Whitmore
Birth: abt 1883 - Gnosall, Staffordshire, England
Residence: 1891 - Audlem, Audlem, Cheshire, England

Name: Arcisadella England
Spouse: Joseph England
Birth: abt 1858 - Shirlett, Shropshire, England
Residence: 1881 - Church Gresley, Derbyshire, England


I wonder ... could there be some church Latin here? The "ci" pronounced "chi" and then written that way?


This is from a typed version of the GRO index that would have come from a handwritten list, I think, and could be a mistranscription of Arcisadella:

Name: Arcis Adella Davies
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Burton Upon Trent
County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 536


Or the names could be a combination of Arcis and Adela, possibly all named for the one ancestor.

That could explain "Archus", i.e. Arcis.


Aha, the birth record of Arcisadella Morris from the census:

Arcis Adela Morris 1881 Apr-May-Jun Shropshire

And there's also this birth:

Arcis Adella Leech 1894 Oct-Nov-Dec Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Yorkshire - West Riding

There are several female "Archus"s in censuses. ("Archis"s are pretty obviously mistranscriptions for Archie.) They're all in Staffordshire, including another one where your woman came from:

Name: Archus Lander
Birth: abt 1805 - Brownhill, Staffordshire, England
Residence: 1861 - Ogley Hay, Staffordshire, England

And there are these deaths:

Archus Parker abt 1850 1907 Cannock Staffordshire

Archus Richardson abt 1829 1891 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

and this marriage, possibly of a descendant of the Hicken mentioned earlier:

Archus Hicken 1882 Cannock Staffordshire

And in a census:

Name: Arciss A M Smith
Birth: abt 1879 - Broseley, Shropshire, England
Residence: 1891 - Broseley, Broseley, Shropshire, England

whose birth is mistranscribed (but has been corrected at FreeBMD) as:

Arcia [Arcis] Amelia M Smith 1878 Oct-Nov-Dec Shropshire


I do think that's the answer. ;)

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
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SKIDMORE Archisidella Gateshead 10a 992

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Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
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SKIDMORE Archisidella 0 Gateshead 10a 582

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Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
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SKIDMORE Archisidella 71 Gateshead 10a 563

archesidella

ARCHE SIDE ELLA

WELL COULD BE

Yes, there are several variations, and indications that they travel in families. ;)

I do think the name is

ARCIS

pronounced and sometimes written as

ARCHUS

and in some cases it was passed down as

ARCIS ADELA

which became

ARCHISIDELLA

and variants of that.

DO YOU HAVE ANYONE CALLED ARCHIE OR ELLA IN TREE

THERES IS A ARCHIE AND ELLA SKIDMORE