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Update - got the death cert i sent for -
its Alice Parson's died 24th Nov 1918 at 60 Foxberry Rd, father John William Parsons. Cause of death - influenza /pneumonia.
So back to the 1911 census - This Alice is there at address living with her parents and siblings - but there is no baby Alice Louisa aged 2yrs! The family have also adopted a daughter Dorothy Oxley aged 9yrs.
So i've been trawling the 1911 census trying to find Alice Louisa Parsons b. 1908 Greenwich - no luck!!!
Have looked for married siblings of Alice snr to see if they were living with them - but no luck again!!
Am totally stuck i think now - will have to try and see if there is a will for John William Parsons to see if Alice Louisa mentioned.

am i right in counting lol? if bernard and marian are added to those in 1911 is that 11? No, lol ignore me I hadn't realised Elizabeth was listed twice .

HI,
it says 10 children born and all alive.
on the actual schedule they have written 10 chidlren's names but 2 of them have been crossed out - obviously miss understood the form.
it looks like Bernard and Marian? i think can't make it out clearly.

on that 1911 census for the number of children to Richard and Louisa,what does it say?

just adding this ...its the oldest son who isn't showing in 1911, wonder if that changes the number of children living?

Name: Richard Parsons
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Louisa F Parsons
Gender: Male
Where born: Deal, Kent, England

Civil parish: Deal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Deal
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Parsons 30
Louisa F Parsons 31
Bernard Parsons 4/12

I suppose if Alice Louisa was born at that address it's possible her mother was a servant there, hopefully there may be a clue on the death cert !

Back on!
Tried 4 Alice Parsons in bermondsey, all living with parents and not born in Greenwich.

Think i will end up sitting and going through every Alice in 1911 census!

Then will probably find Alice snr was a suffragette!!!

Find my past gone down now!
don't know what's happening to all my family history sites lately, keep getting locked out!!

Will have another look later if possible,

Cheers for all your help.

If she is just down as Alice ( jnr) in 1911 you might try looking at the couple that are in Bermondsey? being about the closest .

PARSONS, Richard Head Married M 50 1861 General Labourer Deal Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Louisa Francis Wife Married
21 years F 41 1870 Deal Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Richard Son Single M 17 1894 Milk Carrier Deal Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Emily Louisa Daughter F 13 1898 School Deal Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Alfred George Son M 11 1900 School Deal Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1902 School Sholden Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1902 School Sholden Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Edgar Sidney Son M 6 1905 School Sholden Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Alice Louisa Daughter F 4 1907 Sholden Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Elsie Ellen Daughter F 1 1910 Sholden Kent VIEW
PARSONS, Louisa Sarah Daughter F 1 1910 Sholden Kent VIEW

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Not convinced these are correct. There is no older Alice and all of the children listed fit to the number that they say they have given birth to.
I tell you never been so stumped!!
Hope the death cert for Alie snr gives me some more clues! probably the wrong 1!!

just in case it is the right one

sadly the death of Phoebe

Deaths Dec 1886 (>99%)


PARSONS Phoebe Alice 0 Greenwich 1d 548

Can you see who this one is with?

HOUSEHOLD PARSONS ALICE LOUISA F 1907 4 Eastry Kent

Hi Louise , sorry got kicked of site and just managed to log back on lol.

Ah so we need to find baby Alice in the 1911, I don't have access to that unfortunately,

just checked the Alice with parents John & Sarah on the 1911 census -
Alice is still living with them and unfortunately there is no baby Alice living with them.
Suppose she could have farmed baby Alice out or sent her to an orphange!?
Problem is Alice 1908 used to tell that her mother died at home with her and that the doctor thought she would get the spanish flu too!

1901 census 44 Vanborough Hill is diff family.

Sorry, just found your previous posts on what you found! must have knocked my scroll down bar and missed them!

Yes that does look like could be a good contender for Alice snr.

i've just done an address search for 44 Vanborough Hill, Greenwich where Alice Louisa was born -
in 1911 there is the Thompson family living there - no Parsons but they do have a servant.
just gonna check 1901.

i'm afraid that i know nothing about Alice 1895.
the only thing we know is that she died when Alice Louisa 1908, was a child and that she died of Spanish Flu.
I've found a death cert registered in 1918 so have sent for that.
the age on the register gives 23 though which means Alice snr would have been born around 1895, which would have only made her around 13 when she had Alice Louisa.

So as yet without the death cert to check the age I can't confirm anything for Alice snr!

i also searched for them on 1911 census but couldn't find them!!

just rechecking that census for the middle initial no it is actually W not H

Name: William F Parsons
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John W Parsons
Mother's Name: Sarah A Parsons
Gender: Male
Where born: New Cross, London, England

Civil parish: St Paul Deptford
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Deptford St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John W Parsons 32
Sarah A Parsons 29
William F Parsons 8
Louisa H Parsons 6
Florence A Parsons 3
Arthur Parsons 1/12



another daughter
Name: Phoebe Alice Parsons
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Jun 1886
Father's Name: John William Parsons
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Parsons
Parish: St James, Hatcham
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

if that's the right one this is the sister's baptism

Name: Florence Ann Parsons
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Sep 1887
Father's Name: John William Parsons
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Parsons
Parish: St James, Hatcham
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

and brother

Name: Arthur Parsons
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 19 Mar 1891
Father's Name: John William Parsons
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Parsons
Parish: St James, Hatcham
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

I'm making a guess at this?

1901 England Census
about Alice Parsons
Name: Alice Parsons
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John H Parsons ( John W on image as above)
Mother's Name: Sarah A Parsons
Gender: Female
Where born: Brockley, Kent, England

Civil parish: Deptford St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Hatcham
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 258
Household Members: Name Age
John H Parsons 42 ( postman)
Sarah A Parsons 38
William F Parsons 18
Florence A Parsons 13
Arthur Parsons 10
Alice Parsons

which matches up with this one

Name: Alice Parsons
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 3 Feb 1895
Father's Name: John Parsons ( letter carrier)
Mother's Name: Sarah Parsons
Parish: St James, Hatcham
Borough: Lewisham
County: Middlesex

1908 baptism is too late for London records on Ancestry ( they are to 1906)

Is Alice's ( 1895) birth name Parsons ? there are several , do you have father's name ?