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Hi Rose, yes the occupation matched, and it looks like his father was in the same occupation, domestic coachman. The witnesses were Rosa Kimpton (who we think must've been Kate's sister in law) and James Hill, which could've been either Frederick's father or his brother

Did the occupation match? What about witnesses?

Rose

Hiya

Received Frederick and Kate's wedding certificate today and his father's name was James, so it looks like Choccy's finding were correct! Hopefully I'll be able to find his birth certificate now. Thanks you so much for all your help! x

Thanks Vera

I've been advised to wait for Frederick and Kate's marriage certificate, to get the details of Frederick's father - hopefully! :-)

That way I should be able to find him on a census. I haven't a clue where he was born. I just know he died 1929 at the age of 51yrs old.

Helen

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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Frederick Hill Name: Frederick Hill
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Watford
County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 472 (click to see others on page)

Vera

Helen,

RamblingRose posted the details at the very top.

Rose

Thanks Choccy!!!!

After searching possible dates, I've managed to find their marriage certificate and have ordered a copy. They were married in 1904 Oct-Dec St George Hanover Square London.

Hopefully that will give us Frederick's father's name! Can't believe how far we're getting in a day! I've been searching years! Wouldn't have been able to do this without all your help. Thank you so much!
x

possibly -


Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Hill Frederick Watford 3a 472


1881

HILL, James Head Married M 35 1846 Coachman (Dom)
Northampton
Northamptonshire VIEW
HILL, Sophia Wife Married F 40 1841
Chipperfield
Hertfordshire VIEW
HILL, Ada Sophia Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Watford
Hertfordshire VIEW
HILL, James Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Micklefield Green Hts VIEW
HILL, Henry Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Micklefield Green Hts VIEW
HILL, Fanny Frances Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Micklefield Green Hts VIEW
>>>>HILL, Fred Son Single M 2 1879 Infant
Micklefield Green Hts VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1440 Folio:
101 Page:
3

Registration District:
Watford Sub District:
Rickmansworth Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Rickmansworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cottage, Rickmansworth County:
Hertfordshire


1891

HILL, James Head Married M 43 1848 Coachman Domestic Servant
Spratton
Northamptonshire VIEW
HILL, Sophia Wife Married F 50 1841
Chipperfield
Hertfordshire VIEW
HILL, James Son Single M 17 1874 Groom Domestic Servant
Micklefield Green
Hertfordshire VIEW
HILL, Henry Son M 15 1876 Groom Domestic Servant
Micklefield Green
Hertfordshire VIEW
HILL, Fanny Daughter F 14 1877
Micklefield Green
Hertfordshire VIEW
>>>>>HILL, Frederick Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Micklefield Green
Hertfordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1121 Folio:
171 Page:
5

Registration District:
Watford Sub District:
Rickmansworth Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Cross

Civil Parish:
Sarratt Municipal Borough:
Hertfordshire Address:
Sarratt Green, Sarratt, Hertfordshire County:
Hertfordshire





Have posted these, bearing in mind Frederick was a Coachman on the 1911 census, as was his father before him ?

Unfortunately only the marriage certificate will confirm father's name and occupation.

Kate in 1901 -

STUART, James S Head Married M 46 1855 East India Mer
India VIEW
STUART, Ellen E Wife Married F 47 1854
Harrow
Middlesex VIEW
STUART, Alice D Wife Single F 18 1883
India VIEW
PERRY, Sarah Florence Servant Single F 28 1873 Domestic
Watford
Hertfordshire VIEW
>>>>>KIMPTON, Kate Servant Single F 25 1876 Domestic
Leavesden GN
Hertfordshire VIEW
FAIRBROTHER, Louisa N Servant Single F 20 1881 Domestic
Forest Hill VIEW
CAMPS, Agnes E Servant Single F 24 1877 Domestic
Waterbeach
Cambridgeshire VIEW
HATTON, Elizabeth ? Servant Single F 17 1884 Domestic
Sandy
Bedfordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1180 Folio:
62 Page:
3

Registration District:
Uxbridge Sub District:
Hayes Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Northolt St Marys

Civil Parish:
Northolt Municipal Borough:
Address:
Mount Park, Northolt County:
Middlesex

posting 1911 census for reference -

1911

HILL, Frederick Head Married
7 years M 32 1879 Coachman Domestic Herts Watford VIEW
HILL, Kate Wife Married F 35 1876 Herts Watford VIEW
HILL, James Alfred Son M 5 1906 Worcester Northall VIEW
HILL, Dorothy Kate Daughter F 2 1909 Wilts Bradford on Avon VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
11974 Reference:
RG14PN11974 RG78PN666 RD248 SD1 ED4 SN39

Registration District:
Bradford on Avon Sub District:
Bradford on Avon Enumeration District:
4 Parish:
Bradford on Avon

Address:
Frankleigh Bradford on Avon Wiltshire County:
Wiltshire

I thought I had their marriage certificate, but it appears I don't :-/

Many thanks Rose

Fred's occupation was Coachman/Rubber Maker?

All the details you have found are correct. I really appreciate your help with this.

I'll have to try and work out when they got married, so I can find their marriage certificate
x

Births Dec 1908
Hill Dorothy Kate Bradford on A. 5a 115

Rose

Here they are:

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD HILL FREDERICK M 1879 32 Bradford on Avon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD HILL JAMES ALFRED M 1906 5 Bradford on Avon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD HILL KATE F 1876 35 Bradford on Avon Wiltshire
HOUSEHOLD HILL DOROTHY KATE F 1909 2 Bradford on Avon Wiltshire

Can someone look up Fred's occupation and POB?

Rose

Is this Kate in 1881?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Alfred KIMPTON Head M Male 45 Watford, Hertford, England Farm Servant
Emma KIMPTON Wife M Female 38 Watford, Hertford, England
Alfred KIMPTON Son U Male 11 Watford, Hertford, England Scholar
David KIMPTON Son U Male 9 Watford, Hertford, England Scholar
John KIMPTON Son U Male 8 Watford, Hertford, England Scholar
Kate KIMPTON Dau U Female 5 Watford, Hertford, England
Alice KIMPTON Dau Female 3 Watford, Hertford, England
Louisa KIMPTON Dau Female 6 m Watford, Hertford, England
Source Information:
Dwelling Leavesden Green
Census Place Watford, Hertford, England
Family History Library Film 1341349
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1438 / 77
Page Number 5

Rose

Helen,

Who was Frederick's father and what was his occupation? This should be on his marriage cert.

Rose

Helen,

As there is no record of the marriage of Frederick and Kate on Ancestry, it seems that your only option is to obtain their marriage cert for the name and occupation of his father which might help to track him down on the census''s.

slug & lettuce
Many thanks for that. Brian is married to my father's cousin (his only surviving relative) and Tracy, I met up with on her on this website, as she's related to one of Kate Kimpton's brothers. :-) Kate was born in Leavesden, Herts.

There are a few Kate's on the Kimpton side. They tended to use the same names.

RamblingRose - Thank you, that is the right one :-) I have Frederick's marriage certificate and his death certificate, just can't find his birth certificate. He died 10.07.29 in Devizes.

My only source of information is an 81yr old man (my Dad) who's memory's not as good as it was before his stroke. He said his Dad told him that Frederick came from Harrow, but the only birth certicates around that area are Hatch End and Pinner, both ended in brick walls. It would help if my dad could remember if Frederick had any brothers or sisters! It's very hard. Frederick was around 51yrs old when he died.

PricklyHolly, here's all the details I have in his line, thanks :-)
Frederick Hill1878 - 1929
Kate Kimpton1875 - 1952

Children:
James Hill1905 - 1998
Dorothy Hillc1906 - c1916
Violet Hillc1918 - 1968

Many thanks everyone for your help :-)

Hi Helen, what are the names and DOBs of the children?

thanks Chris,