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I am looking for a man called Edward baker or percy Edward baker
g/son to felix baker in the 1881 census at much marcle, ledbury,herefordshire he was b about 1877 no father, mother I think was caroline b 1860 felixs daug , you have heard most of this before caroline had a girl no father b 1880 Gertrude she was treated like a slave and ran away to USA early 1900s gert d 1977 mass usa her g/daug sent me a letter saying they spoke about 1970 saying I had 2 brothers one was my g/dad henry albert b 1885, caroline was then m to henry john summers m 1884 she d 1888 I found out fri that gertude came to England sept1926.[ I remember 15 or so years ago a lady email me saying gert came here to see her brother and as she did not know of my g/dad till 1952 well you can see how I feel know BAD I have tried all sorts since fri to find Edward his marr or death his kids
cant fin d nothing help me please im lost.
I did find she docked Liverpool sept 1926 she was with her 2 young sons and going to stay at the vicarage, shirehampton, nr Bristol she came from Weymouth mass usa [boston]
kind regards john harper

this would have been better posted on Find Ancestors - however - how about this one


Name: Percy Edward Baker
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1878
Registration District: Ledbury
County: Herefordshire
Event Place: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 6A
Page: 477
Line Number: 96

Name: Felix Baker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 01 Apr 1827
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Samuel Baker
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 53/54 426

Name: Thomas Baker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Feb 1851
Christening Place: , MUCH MARCLE, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J13723-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1041613
Reference ID: 2:1Z3NHFC

Name: Louisa Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 30 Dec 1849
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 152 1222

Name: Caroline Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 30 Jun 1860
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 1600

Name: Eliza Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 21 May 1859
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 196 1562

Name: Thomas Baker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Feb 1851
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 1266

Name: William Baker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Oct 1855
Christening Place: , MUCH MARCLE, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J13723-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1041613
Reference ID: 2:1Z3NL3S

Name: Rhoda Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Jan 1854
Christening Place: Much Marcle, Hereford, England
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04636-0
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1594265
Reference ID: 172 1370

Name: Albert Baker
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Feb 1863
Christening Place: , MUCH MARCLE, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: J13723-1
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1041613
Reference ID: 2:1Z3NQMS

Name: Emma Baker
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 Mar 1867
Christening Place: MUCH MARCLE,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Felix Baker
Mother's Name: Jane
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: K13723-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1041613

Name: Felix Baker
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Ledbury
Sub-District: Yarkhill
Parish: Much Marcle
County: Herefordshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Felix Baker M 44 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Wife Jane Baker F 44 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Daughter Rhoda Baker F 18 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Son William Baker M 16 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Daughter Eliza Baker F 14 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Daughter Caroline Baker F 11 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Son Albert Baker M 8 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Daughter Emma Baker F 6 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Son Thomas Baker M 3 Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Son Walter S Baker M 0 Much Marcle, Herefordshire

Name: Felix Baker
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1915
Registration District: Ledbury
County: Herefordshire
Event Place: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Age (available after 1866): 88
Birth Year (Estimated): 1827
Volume: 6A
Page: 561
Line Number: 36

how did Gertrude fit into this lot?

In 1881, 1891 and 1901 Percy Edward is listed as Edwin when living with his grandfather Felix so this could be him in 1911. Listed as married 9 years

1911
Name: Edwin Butter
[Edwin Baker]
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Much Marcle, Herefordshire
Civil Parish: Preston
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: Old Vicarage, Nr Much Marcle, Preston, Dymock, Gloustershire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Groom Gardener Domestic
Registration district: Newent
Registration District Number: 324
Sub-registration district: Redmarley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 15257
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Butter 34 Groom Gardener
Mary Ann Butter 36 b Putley, Herefordshire
Elsie Jane Butter 7 b Putley, Herefordshire
Florence Penelope Butter 3 Preston, Gloucestershire

1891

Name: Edwin Baker
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Much Marcle
Ecclesiastical parish: Much Marcle
Town: Much Marcle
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Yarkhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2053
Folio: 74
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Felix Baker 63
Mary J Baker 63
Thomas Baker 23
Walter Baker 20
Edwin Baker 14 Grandson
Gertrude Baker 10 Grandaughter

FreeBMD has a possible marriage of an Edwin Baker to Mary Ann Pocknell
March Qtr 1902 Ledbury 6a 795

Possible further child
Births Sep 1912
Joyce M Baker (Pocknell mother's maiden name) Ledbury 6a 785

ann
hi love nice to do work wth you again what happened took me aback w hich never has happened before I was guted gerturde my g/aunt,is my g/dads sister it is a heck of a story that takenyears to find out when I was a boy/man 1960s bits/bats were said about the bakers/ summers in ledbury area which is where g/dad was b 1885 if you can look back on some of the work that has been done for me on genes you wil know its a sad story to me a a very hurtful one was g/dad father henry john summers and his father in law felix baker they were scum if I met them now I would kill them both.
Gertrude was the bastard daug of caroline baker felix,s daug born 1880 , henry john made her pregnant, caroline/henry let felix keep her[bring her up] the did marr 1884 a son was born to them 1885 henry albert my g/dad caroline d 1888 felix and his family rose up and went mental as wellas her being prehnant with gert she d of TB whichfelix blamed henry john again 70% of the summers left to go to leeds liecester,
theres a lot more shouting, fighting its been12/15 years in the making has this a hell a of a lot of work and money hirering people in usa to find gert and her family.
and then get a letter to say gert came to England 1926 to see her brother Edward at shirehampton she sill did not knoe of g/dad up in leeds until 1952ish that's why I am ba--ed off[ALOT]
gertude is the bastard daug of caroline as is Edward the son caoroline is felix,s daug b 1860 all I want to do is find out about him marr kids death I want to meet his g/kids I wont be here till fri I am working away john

k thankyou could you give more please I want to go there and meet them please read what I wrote to ann cardif
john

Name: Gertrude Baker
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1880
Registration District: Ledbury
County: Herefordshire
Event Place: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3):
Volume: 6A
Page: 439
Line Number: 223