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I never said that I wasn't gonna get certificates

Never knew that people had to be a certain age to be a couple !!!!

And I have never meet my nan !!!!
Or my grandad for that matter as never knew my grandad was a round

Like when I send message to other tree users I am not to know they are 10 years old

So there we have it !!! :-(

Lisa, I know where Jax is coming from, it's just your grandmother did not appear to have any siblings with the same mothers maiden name. Don't go rushing into buying multiple certificates, just get her birth certificate for starters - now we know from her death record she was born in 1922. Then we can look for her parents once we know their names for sure.

There is no recorded marriage for Mussett/Lankston as has already been pointed out, so either her mother had been previously married, or it has been recorded wrongly. I even tried to look for Alfred Richard Mussett's mmn - but it turned out to be Coulthard - just in case he misheard the registrar and gave his mmn by mistake.

So your saying get birth certificate on ivy mussett
And see what comes back,
Why would my dad lie about an auntie violet
They were always together

I'm not trying to say he would lie - it's just there is no Violet born with the same mother's maiden name as your gran (and there is quite an age difference as Violet married in 1933 but your gran born in 1922) - that's why you need your grans birth certificate to see who her parents were so you can be sure of her ancestry.

Ok will come back when I have ordered one and then share information ok xx

I was not saying there could not have been a 16 year age difference, but the likely hood of her still having children at 55 would be very slim.

Have you looked for any births on Freebmd? and even her death was listed on there....maybe it was not there in November though.

You had said when your grandmother died, so I would have thought anyone trying to help would have least looked up that death to see when she was born?

This is the marriage of Violet to Harry:
Marriages Dec 1933
Mussett Violet Shaw Sheppey 2a 2747
Shaw Harry C Mussett Sheppey 2a 2747

so I thought this was Violet's birth:
Births Jun 1914
MUSSETT Violet Moore Sheppey 2a 1985

Which gets us back to what Shirley posted.

These are the ones I was looking at so how comes if they are not mussett
When my father is very sure of the violet and Harry

If this Violet turns out to be your grandmothers sister she married a Henry which also could be known as Harry


Births Sep 1913 (>99%)

MUSSETT Violet L King Hackney 1b 1011



Marriages Sep 1934 (>99%)

Hill Henry R Mussett Hackney 1b 1260
Mussett Violet L Hill Hackney 1b 1260


Also the marriage of Violets parents


Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)

King Charlotte R W.Ham 4a 356
Mussett Alfred R W.Ham 4a 356


charlottes death


Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)

Mussett Charlotte R 43 Hackney 1b 624


which actually ties in with this birth


Births Dec 1891 (>99%)

LANKSTON Charlotte Rosina Hackney 1b 514

or maybe this one if she lied about her age?


Births Jun 1889 (>99%)

Lankston Charlotte Rose Hackney 1b 518


But until you get Ivy's birth cert it is all guess work

If they are sisters why was Violet born in Sheppey and Ivy in Hackney?

So something is not correct, so we wait for certificates.

Have we got deaths for Ivy's parents?

Pat

I don't think the Sheppey connection is anything to do with this family...they were from East London

?
1911 England Census
Alfred Richard Mussett
Age in 1911: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hackney, Middlesex Civil Parish: Low Leyton
County/Island: Essex Country: England
Street address: 14 Byron Rd, Leyton
Marital Status: Married Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration district: North Leyton ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 304 Piece: 9649
Alfred Richard Mussett 23
Charlotte Rose Mussett 22
Lilian Rose Mussett 2
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 9649; Schedule Number: 304.

Added:
Married under 1 year, and daughter definitely 2.

Sorry, jax.

I agree.

Sheppey is a red-herring.

It is raining and I am messing around.

Alfreds death


Deaths Mar 1942 (>99%)

Mussett Alfred R 53 Hackney 1b 501


so it looks like charlotte R King was Charlotte Rose Lankston born 1889

Why King when she married???

Some more children of Alfred and Charlotte


Births Sep 1911 (>99%)

MUSSETT Winnie E King W.Ham 4a 779 Scan available - click to view



Births Dec 1915 (>99%)

Mussett Alfred R King Hackney 1b 813 Scan available - click to view


Births Mar 1918 (>99%)

Mussett Thomas H King Hackney 1b 619 Scan available - click to view


I now think this is the correct family but still wondering why she called herself King for the marriage and for all of the children except Ivy?

Cannot see Charlotte Lankston in censuses?

There are two Charlotte Lankston's births but only one marriage and that was for the 1891 birth to a Saville

So the 1889 Charlotte went by the name of King when she married in 1911

Here she is with her parents in 1901


1901 England Census
about Charlotte Lankston
Name:
Charlotte Lankston
Age:
12
Estimated birth year:
abt 1889
Relation to Head:
Daughter
Gender:
Female
Father:
Charles Lankston
Mother:
Sophia Lankston
Birth Place:
Homerton, London, England
Civil Parish:
Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish:
Christchurch
County/Island:
London
Country:
England
Registration district:
Whitechapel
Sub-registration district:
Spitalfields
Charles Lankston 33
Sophia Lankston 30
>>>> Charlotte Lankston 12
Joseph Lankston 8
Catherine Lankston 6
Elizabeth Lankston 1

Yes, I agree.

Just cannot find her as King on censuses either.

So I have rang my dad and he said remembers being with violet and Harry they used to come visit and he use to go with his mum to visit them,

But anyway!!

The link seems to be right but ( don't understand where the king comes from)
Maybe she was a half sibling or something I don't no but one Tuesday comes I will order a certificate for nan, how long do that take?

We are all from hackney/ London and I no violet moved to kent for Harry's work
Thanks so much to you all