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I AM LOOKING FOR ANYTHING ON WILLIAM RUSH B1872 COLCHESTER ESSEX D 1934 ESSEX M 1895 BOMBAY INDIA TO A C DE SILVA AT AGE 18 WAS IN HEWONTH YORKSHIRE DRUMMER INPANTRY HE WAS MY GF HIS DAD WAS JONATHAN RUSH B 1837 SUFFOLK B 1837 D 1908 ESSEX HE WAS IN THE ESSEX RIFTES MILITA SERGEAT 33 FOOT IN 1879 CAN YOU HLEP ME THANK YOU FROM ALISON

Please forgive the following re-type as reading a block of text in capitals can be confusing.

Is this correct?
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I am looking for anything on William Rush born 1872 in Colchester, died 1934 Essex, married 1895 in India to A C De Silva.

At age 18 (1890?) he was in ............Yorkshire Drummer Infantry
He was my Grandfather.

His dad was Jonathan Rush born 1837 Suffolk, died 1908 Essex.
He (Jonathan) was in the Essex Rifles Militia as a Sergeant in the 33 Foot in 1879

Can you help me
Thank you from Alison
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You seem to have quite a lot of information to start with :-D :-D

His birth
Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
RUSH William Colchester 4a 307

which matches with his death

Deaths Mar 1934 (>99%)
Rush William 62 Tendring 4a 1068

A private tree on Ancestry owned by acfleming183 (yours?) has his dob as
12 May 1872 - Colchester, Essex, England

1891 England Census about William Rush
Name: William Rush
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Fulford
Ecclesiastical parish: Fulford
Town: Heworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:Drummer - Infantry

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: York Infantry Barracks

Piece: 3895
Folio: 124
Page Number: 21
..........

Do you have his MC? Does it actually say that he was in one of the Yorkshire regiments? Although he was based in a Yorkshire Barracks, they were moved around the country.

Entry on FIBIS for the marriage
1895 RUSH William to DE SILVA C
Ecclesiastical & Registry Office Records > Marriages > Bombay Marriages
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A different tree on Ancestry has B&D as

William RUSH
Birth 12 May 1872 in Colchester, Essex, England
Death 07 Mar 1934 in St Osyth, Essex, England

wife Christina GRIMSEY
Birth 26 Dec 1898 in Weeley, Essex, England
Death 1982 in Little Clacton, Essex, England

As it is unsourced, it may be incorrect

1881 England Census about William Rush
Name: William Rush
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Jonathan Rush
Mother: Mary A. Rush
Gender: Male
Where born: Colchester, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Great Warley
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 3 Black Huts
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Hornchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 9

Piece: 1751
Folio: 48
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Jonathan Rush 43 - Sergeant, Essex Rifles, Militia b Suffolk, Falkenham
Mary A. Rush 28 (wife) - b Ireland
William Rush 8 - b Colchester
Mary A. Rush 4 - b India
Margaret Rush 2 - b India
Jas. Rush 5mths - b Colchester

Going back to

wife Christina GRIMSEY
Birth 26 Dec 1898 in Weeley, Essex, England
Death 1982 in Little Clacton, Essex, England
..........

The only death for a Christina which matches the birth date is

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Christina Cole
Name: Christina Cole
Birth Date: 26 Dec 1896
Date of Registration: Dec 1982
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2091

Assuming she was William's widow, this is probably her remarriage
Marriages Mar 1950 (>99%)
Rush Christina Cole Colchester 4a 1114


If you believe this to be correct, then it might be worth purchasing the MC as it ought to give her father's name if known, hopefully a De Silva. The other possibility is that she was a widow at the time she married William hence the ancestry tree owner believing her maiden name to be Grimsey

sorry - not having any success tracing Military records!

Aha! Something at last!

Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912 about William Rush
General Text: Surname: Rush
Given Name: William
Birth Date: 12 May 72
FIRST COMM: -------
DATE RANK: 16 Sept. 09
RANK: Warrent Officers
COMPANY: Ordnance Department, Northern Army
REMARKS: ----
Page #: 519

He'd only have been 42 in 1914, so even if he was no longer in the Indian Army, its likely he was either called up from the reserves into a training capacity, or to fight

Unfortunately over 60% of WW1 records were destroyed during WW2 bombing and there are too many William Rush' to identify a correct medal card, assuming he was awarded campaign medals

Have you any idea if he was still a serving soldier in or after 1920? If so, his records would still be with the MOD. You can order a copy at a cost of £30 from
https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Hello Alison and welcome to the Community boards.


I'll let Alison know that she has replies to her query :-)

thanks c de silva was his wife but christina grimsey was not son john is my dad we do not no anything about c de ssilva but they m in bombay india in 1895 we do not no when she d william is buried st osyth essex sec 1 row 1 plot 1601 thank alison

This may be a red herring, but I found this marriage of a William Rush in India in 1902


Bride's Forename Winifred Maud
Bride's Surname Bun
Bride's Age -
Groom's Forename William<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Surname Rush<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Age -
Year Of Marriage 1902
Date Of Marriage 17 Dec 1902
Place Quetta
Presidency Bengal
Bride's Father's Forename James
Bride's Father's Surname Bun
Groom's Father's Forename Jonathan<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Groom's Father's Surname Rush<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Archive Reference N-1-303
Folio No. 380
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Entry No. -
Record set British India Office marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

The groom's father is named as Jonathan Rush.

William Rush is described as a bachelor, and as a Sergeant in the Ordinance Dept.

EDIT - this chap would seem to tally with the chap DetEcTive found in the Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912 who was also in the ordinance dept.

SECOND EDIT: Looking at the image, I think the bride's surname is actually Burr, not Bunn.

I don't suppose your father had a brother named Leslie?

Births Dec 1912 Rush Leslie H Burr Woolwich 1d 2236

Some India born children of William Rush and Winifred Maud, if only for elimination purposes:

First Name Dorothy May
Last Name Rush
Date Of Baptism 6 May 1905
Date Of Birth 02 May 1905
Father's First Name William
Mother's First Name Winifred Maud
Place Allahabad
Presidency Bengal
Father's Last Name Rush
Mother's Last Name -
Archive Reference N-1-324
Folio 84
Page -
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

First Name Gladys Irene
Last Name Rush
Date Of Baptism 2 Nov 1903
Date Of Birth 14 Oct 1903
Father's First Name William
Mother's First Name Winifred Maud
Place Quetta
Presidency Bengal
Father's Last Name Rush
Mother's Last Name -
Archive Reference N-1-312
Folio 235
Page -
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms

First Name Gerald Ernest
Last Name Rush
Date Of Baptism 9 Sep 1908
Date Of Birth 20 Aug 1908
Father's First Name William
Mother's First Name Winifred Maud
Place Bangalore,St Mark
Presidency Madras
Father's Last Name Rush
Mother's Last Name -
Archive Reference N-2-104
Folio 5
Page -
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

First Name Clifford George
Last Name Rush
Date Of Baptism 18 May 1910
Date Of Birth 02 May 1910
Father's First Name William
Mother's First Name Winifred Maud
Place Bangalore,St Mark
Presidency Madras
Father's Last Name Rush
Mother's Last Name -
Archive Reference N-2-107
Folio 80
Page -
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms

No record of a John, so I guess this is not the right family/marriage - I was attracted to it because this William's father was a Jonathan Rush, according to his marriage record.

Alison,

You said Christina Grimsey wasn't William's wife.

Yet you appear to have a John Rush born St Osyth, Essex, 1928, on your tree.

ST Osyth comes under Tendring reg district, so this would be the corresponding BMD entry.

Births Jun 1928 Rush John E Grimsey Tendring 4a 1235

Note the maiden name of the mother is given as GRIMSEY.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

EDIT: Or did you mean William never actually married Christina, but that they were a couple?

AT last!

More detail on the Rush-De Silva marriage.

I had problems finding it as I was looking under Rush., and William Rush is mistranscribed as Rust:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns

Bride's Forename Caccilia
Bride's Surname De Silva
Bride's Age 18
Groom's Forename William
Groom's Surname Rust
Groom's Age 26
Year Of Marriage 1895
Date Of Marriage 13 May 1895
Place Karachi
Presidency Bombay
Bride's Father's Forename Luke Bernard
Bride's Father's Surname De Silva
Groom's Father's Forename William
Groom's Father's Surname Rust
Archive Reference N-3-73
Folio No. 284
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Entry No. 2
Record set British India Office marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

NOTE William's father is NOT Jonathan as Alison stated, but William.

According to the image - which does say Rush rather than Rust, William was a widower, aged 26 years, and a clerk , Commis. Dep.

Caecilia was an 18 yr old spinster. She signed herself Cicy De Silva.

EDIT: She is transcribed Caccilia, it looks more like Caecilia on the image to me.

So things don't seem to entirely add up....

The William Rush who married Caecilia/Caccilia De Silva had a father named William Rush, and William jr was a widower when he married Caecilia, and about 8 yrs older than you stated 'your' William to be (he was aged 26 at time of marriage in May 1895).

A William Rush who was a Sergeant in the Ordinance Dept and had a father named Jonathan Rush married as a bachelor in India in 1902 to a Winifred Maud Burr. The image only says they were of full age. According to the Indian Army list DetEcTive found, it looks like this William was still in India in 1912. This couple had at least four children born in India, as I have posted already.

I have yet to find the marriage of a William Rush to a Miss Grimsey, the maiden name given for the mother of John Rush registered in Q2 1928 in the Tendring district, who seems to be the John Rush born 1928 St Osyth.

I hope someone else can make a better job of untangling what seems to be conflicting information :-S

There are seven Rush children with mother maiden name Grimsey registered in the Tendring district between 1923 and 1934, readily findable on :

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

4 boys including John, and 3 girls.

If 'your' William Rush was definitely the son of Jonathan Rush, then it looks like the 1902 marriage in India to Winifred Maud Burr is a good possibility, as father's name is Jonathan on that marriage register.

The 1895 marriage to Caecilia De Silva is an older man (aged 26, born c1869), a widower, and the son of another William Rush, not the son of a Jonathan Rush.

Did William then at some point move on to live as man and wife with Christina Grimsey, possibly without an actual marriage ceremony?

Does anyone else have any thoughts?

On a slight tangent - is this the marriage of the Jonathan and Mary A Rush in the 1881 census DetEcTive posted?

Her birthplace was given as Ireland:

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958

Name: Jonathan Rush
Date of Registration: 1875
Registration district: Cork
Volume: 20
Page Number: 47
FHL Film Number: 101252

Records on Page:
Name
Mary Anne O'Sullivan<<<<<<<<<<<
Robert Roscoe
Jonathan Rush<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Margaret Robertson
Catherine Wakefield
Thomas Broderick
Richard Love
Annie Dineen
Annie Deneen

I'm beginning to wonder if Alison needs to go back to the beginning, and purchase some certificates. With two men with the same name, its possible to follow the wrong line.

For a start, her father's BC, then look for a marriage between her grandparents. If there isn't one, then it does give credence to the suggestion that William was already married to someone else.

Alison - if you already have documentation, could we have the details please - if your father is still alive, then just give us the basics ie year/place he was born, and his mothers name as given on the BC.

If the grandparents were married - then full details please from the MC, not just hearsay. We all have elderly relations who twist the facts to save face. The name of the father (your grt grandfather) if known will confirm if he was a William or a Jonathan.

I agree we do need to know what actual facts Alison has about the family.

If it is her Dad who was born 1928, then Caecilia De Silva is unlikely to have been his mother, as aged 18 in 1895, she would have been approx 50 yrs old in 1928. Also we know her maiden name was De Silva, as she is described as a spinster on her marriage record, and her father is named as Luke Bernard De Silva.

If Christina Grimsey was William's long term partner, and simply assumed his surname, then that does lend credence, as DetEcTive says, to the possibility that William was already married.

The birth of William Rush 1872 Colchester does tie in well with the death of William Rush 1934 that DetEcTive has already posted, which also tallies with the 1881 census entry for William born Colchester, son of Jonathan.

So we do need some answers from Alison :-)

WILLIAM AND CHRISTINA HAD JHON ROSE WILLIAM BETTY ALICE ARTHUR JUNE BEATRICE AS WE DO NOT NO WHEN HIS WIFE D SO THEY DID NOT MTHANKS ALISON