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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 29 Nov 2018 18:41

Marriage ref from

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DALE Ella COYNE Gustavus P Warrington, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Warrington R/44/198

Unless you can persuade someone to give you a budget, I can’t see a way to get the MC & his occupation for free.

A poor transcription aside, the reasons for being absent from a census could be
- abroad
- at sea
- in the military posted abroad
- the child of a service family resident abroad.


malyon Report 29 Nov 2018 18:41

sons marriage

Marriages Mar 1937 (>99%)
Coyne Terence G G Deighton Scarbro' 9d 757 Scan available - click to view
Marriages Dec 1953 (>99%)
COYNE Terence G G GRAHAM Scarboro' 1b 1401

mother's death
Deaths Mar 1965 (>99%)
COYNE ELLA 87 Scarboro' 1b 989

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 18:47

Thank you +++DetEcTive+++

There is no budget I'm afraid, it is a voluntary project on my part.
Please people don't waste your valuable time.

I will just list the information I can find in the Remembrance and if some have more detail than others so be it.

Many thanks everyone for your help it is much appreciated. I may dare to come back with another of my brick walls..


malyon Report 29 Nov 2018 19:28

thinking that the family could have been abroad if father was in the forces

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 19:43

thank you Malyon I will try to look into that


ArgyllGran Report 29 Nov 2018 20:02

On the 1911 census for Ella, her name is on the 4th line, and the first three lines are blank.
She has also been listed as Daughter-in-law at first, which has been scored out and "Head" substituted

That seems to indicate that she was living with her in-laws, and was expecting their names to be on the first three lines, above hers.

And then - they moved elsewhere before the census date and left her living alone??

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 20:12

thank you ArgylGran that's an interesting point


Kucinta Report 29 Nov 2018 20:56

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Marriages Sep 1881

FLETCHER Bertha Eugenia A Liverpool 8b 371
GARDINER Henry Andrew C Liverpool 8b 371

so marriage took place after the birth of Gustavus?


Birth of mother Bertha?

Births Sep 1857 Fletcher Bertha Eugena Amanda Bolton 8c 263

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 21:00

Thank you Kucinta no it hasn't


Kucinta Report 29 Nov 2018 21:05

Probably a co-incidence, but googling Henry Andrew Coyne-Gardiner comes up with a

Henry Andrew Gardiner Coyne (October 1839 — 7 April 1900)


Kucinta Report 29 Nov 2018 21:19

The parents were in Wales in 1884. The Tenby Observer Weekly List of Visitors and Directory 27th November 1884 has MR And Mrs Gardiner Coyne appearing at the public Hall. Miss Bertha Fletcher ( Mrs G Coyne) is the heroine. Mr Gardiner Coyne plays her foster brother with the 'true hearted Hiberrian ring which has justly stamped him as one of the famous Irish actors of the day'.

There is quite a lengthy account of their various performances:

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 21:20

OOh maybe not Kucinta as I have found Ella Dale on the 1901 census and she was a professional musician and her father was a professional vocalist - there may well be a connection as to how they met.
Thank you I will follow that through :-)


Kucinta Report 29 Nov 2018 21:25

Hi Christine, we may have crossed in the post. See my link to his parents' performances in Tenby in my post before your last one.

Just took a quick look at newspapers on FMP, lots of refs esp to MR G-C, and references to him being Irish.

Edit: The Era 29 February 1896 shows Gustavus as a 'young comedian'

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 21:37

Kucinta you are a marvel thank you. I can't get the Henry info on a google search but thanks for the info.

They certainly kept chainging their names around, no wonder they are hard to find!


rootgatherer Report 29 Nov 2018 21:40

You may already have this

Optional keywords -
First name(s) Harry Gardiner
Last name Coyne
Sex Male
Race White
Marital status Single
Age 30
Birth year 1885
Birth place N Y City
Father's first name(s) Harry G
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Bertha
Mother's last name Fletcher
Event Marriage
Year 1915
Event date 16 Sep 1915
Location Manhattan
Place Manhattan, New York, United States
County New York
State New York
Country United States
Spouse's first name(s) Louise Marie
Spouse's last name Woisks
Spouse's race White
Spouse's marital status Single
Spouse's age 25
Spouse's birth year 1890
Spouse's birth place N Y City
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) Anna
Spouse's mother's last name Novik
FamilySearch film number 001614226
Record set United States Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Americas, United States

Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl


rootgatherer Report 29 Nov 2018 21:42

Harry Gardener
Last name Coyne
Role Passenger
Others Arrival port relation (UNCLE): Thomas Fletcher
Sex Male
Age 21y
Birth year 1885
Nationality England, Irish
Residence Dublin
Year 1906
Departure port Queenstown
Arrival place New York
Ship name Teutonic
Country United States
NARA publication number M237 and T715
Record set New York Passenger Lists & Arrivals
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Americas, United States
Learn about these records


Kucinta Report 29 Nov 2018 21:48

Did this link work for the review of the parents in Tenby in 1884?

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 21:54

Hi Kucinta yes thank you the link did work. You are a star!

Plenty to keep me busy there


rootgatherer Report 29 Nov 2018 21:54

Doesn't help with Gustavus but his mother had remarried and was in Ireland in 1901.

Census Years1901DublinMountjoyBayview AvenueResidents of a house
Residents of a house 33 in Bayview Avenue (Mountjoy, Dublin)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Leslie George 30 Male Head of Family Church of England
MacAnney Fanny 20 Female Servant R C
Coyne Harry 14 Male Step Son R C
Leslie Bertha 36 Female Wife R Catholic

Christine in Yorkshire

Christine in Yorkshire Report 29 Nov 2018 21:55

Rootgatherer I didn't have that information. Thank you very much.

People on here are so kind <3