Genealogy Chat

Yoikes Derek,that's great,ha ha just this minute posted on your other thread!!!

Would love to get back into the Askews,, mwaargh never did find Clara

Gill

("I think i'll start a new Thread devoted entirely to Notts marriages.")

don't think about it do it!!!

Fudge..don't get too excited..Phillimore marriages only go to 1812!!
Derek

Hi Derek, Many thanks for all the info you have provided. I am delighted to be able to go so much further back. I'm now working out how to print it off!!
Pamela

hello again Derek,
I have been looking at the names of Robert Clark and Mary Twigg's children, and note that although one is named Mary Ann, all others except Ann Cokayne Clark have only one name. Is there any reason that you can see that the name Cokayne was used? I previously thought that it could have been her mother's maiden name, but of course, I now know this is not the case. Does this name crop up further back in the line?? Absolutely no rush on this but if you come across something in the future, I'd be gald (or even glad!!) to hear.

Thanks a million
Pamela

hi Pamela..good question, but I think it's quite simple...the daughter Mary died very young, as i told you.....and i think that they called Mary number two in memory of her elder sister...but added the Ann........It happened a lot...indeed quite often parents called their next child after the one who had just died.
I don't have an answer to the Cokayne thing, because it doesn't occur anywhere else...........unless it is one or two generations back.....but as i remember the grandparents John and Mary did not come from Spondon.
I'll have a look for you....

ADDITION 23.02 Friday:..

JOHN CLARK(E) of Spondon (not born at Spondon) married MARY KIRK (of Wilne) at Wilne 16.02.1768.....

Further ADDITION 23.19..have been looking further back...John Clark was born c1743 and Mary Kirk 1747 at Wilne....beyond that we are in mists of antiquity and there are several local Cockayne/Cockain entries, but it is impossible to link them directly with the Clarks or Kirks.
I do go to matlock Records Office quite regualrly and will have a look at the Wilne Parish records.........I'm good at sniffing things out!!



Derek.

Hi Derek,
thank you for giving me more of your time. I'm so pleased you came up with the info on John and Mary. I found on familysearch.org 4 children for John Clark(e) and mrs Mary Clark(e). The three you gave me plus John Clark(e) christened 7 Feb 1770 Sp E ndon, Derbys.
I'm never too sure about the familysearch info but it is always a good pointer in a (sometimes ) new direction.
I also found Mary Twigg daughter of William Twigg and Elizabeth, christening 28 July 1765 Saint Werburgh, Derby. Can you verify this, please?
The IGI have also recorded the christening of Hezikiah Clark on 24 June 1792 at Spondon, Derbys - Robert's son.

I'll spk again soon.
Pamela

Derek you mentioned the deaths of the young in a recent message. In the grave of Oliver Fox and Ann nee Clarke in the welford Road Cemetery in Leicesterthere is record of the following sad occurance of young deaths. 11 wks, 8 mths, 3 mths, 7 mths, and these all in the same grave! All Foxes or Fox decsendents. Fortunately this headstone is still standing, whereas many in WRC have toppled or been laid down 'for health and safety' reasons.

Pamela

Hi Derek,
Sorry I haven't replied before.
Many thanks for the info you have provided me with it is very much appreciated.
I am wondering if I will ever solve the mystery of Victor Coles .
Victor was a tailor and kept moving around the country..............with work ?
I recently called in at the Glamorgan record office in Cardiff but couldn't find anything at all about him.
Anyway once again many thanks for what you sent me.
Patricia

Hi Derek, Nina again,just a comment re young deaths.

I remember,years before being interested in family trees, reading a headstone in Eckington Churchyard.

It contained the remains of a lady called Elizabeth and fifteen children, none of who survived one year.

I often think of her, and what she must have suffered., all those years ago.

Hi Derek, (sorry I posted it wrong again old age and tennis)
Can I on behalf of my friend thank you for verifying "Waterloo Man" Samuel Godley, you also found me Robert Godley, again thanks,I have found children of Robert Godley and wife Margaret but I don't know if its the right Margaret.
On the igi it says Robertus Godley and Margaretha Boune is this a different family or a mistake on igi.
The children are
Stephan Godley 16th January 1719
George Godley 13th June 1722
Elizabeth 24th Oct 1725
Margaret 18th may 1730
all christened Whitwell
I am now transfering onto my friends tree and hope to get it right.

Regards
Tox

Hi Tox.........I think you can be sure itsthe right Margaret

All the best

Derek

Thanks Derek, I am taking my friend her tree tommorow, you have helped us so much, thanks again.

Regards
Tox

Hi Derek,

Thanks for the update, hopefully you will find John Dakins baptism when at Derbyshire Records office.

Thanks for all your help it really is appreciated.

Chris

Hi Derek, back in April I asked you about Harriet Todd listed as Fodd. Can I ask what you get to see when you look at the parish records? ie Is it a name and page no or do you get to see the whole baptism details?.
I have to tell you that this woman had delusions of grandeur! Despite leaving Derby at the age of 2 she apparently always spoke with a Derbyshire burr! She told my aunt that all the family were buried there and so my aunt spent many an hour there when on holiday looking for graves that didn't exist! I'm hoping that she was just a fibber and that she wasn't adopted....stranger things have happened!....sorry for the ramble it must be the heat in the south.....jill

Hi Jill..what you actually get depends on how old the records are.......as a general rule.Baptisms upto about 1700 just give the parents name..often only the father..then later you get both parents.and after about 1800 you get father's occupation

Burials early on only give that date....then later.after about 1800 you get the relationship to whoever survives..John died..... husband of Ethel....

Marriages are where you get the most information........scanty in the 18th century, but again from about 1800 you get wife's maiden name..husbands occupation....often his father and the fathers occupation..and either OTP..of this parish, or where either party originated.....and witnesses, which can often lead you to other memberso f the family'..

Derek

Hi Derek

Back on the Twiggs. We found John Twigg b 1753 marrying Judith Sleigh at Hartington. No more on the Sleighs (parents Henry and Mary, 3 other kids), but anything you can add is greatly appreciated.

Re John Twigg, I have recently contacted a group of people on GR who have him, and they have gone back to 1606. It is very tempting to assume they are correct and just load the info into my tree, but I can't do it. Most of their assumptions are based on submitted records to familysearch and they don't seem to want to discuss their findings with me.

I just wondered if you were able to check them out for me.

They have:

John Twigg b 1753 parents Benjamin b 1714 and Mary Slater b 1713, died 1781. Married 3/4//38 in Ashford (a place dear to your heart). They have various siblings of Benjamin but I am not worried about them. If they have the right parents, I am prepared to accept the siblings.

Back to Benjamin Twigg's parents, they have John b 1690 marrying Ellen Dakin/Ellen Wildgoose/Ellen Ford, and someone has John marrying an Elizabeth. Can you help here?

Parents of John are Benjamin 1658 and Grace Barber.

Parents of Benjamin 1632 are Benjamin and Hannat Bott

Father of the last Benjamin is John b 1606.

Parents of Benjamin are Benjamin 1632 and Hannah Bott.

Father of Benjamin is John Twigg 1606.

Are you able to tell me if any of this reliable? Submitted records are usual dubious aren't they?

Best wishes

Margaret

Hi Margaret..just an initial quick answer..for the moment.
I know i did a lot of sortingout of the Twiggs for you.....and i'll have to scroll back for ages to find what I sent you. Will do that later.

All the SLEIGHS are at Hartington...but the Twiggs came from somewhere else.and there are only five marriages of Twiggs at Hartington...two Elizabeths and three Williams...........

Judith Sleight daughter of henry and mary 06.10.1762 I can confirm.
Only one other Judith Sleigh 20.09.1828.

So I have to go back and find where i got all the Twiggs from
I do have pretty well all the records from the area so i'll sort it ouit for you..probably this evening.

ADDITION: 10.18 am.........Of course! John Twigg married Judith Sleigh at EAST STERNDALE not Hartington (29.06.1785) and have found at least some of the twiggs at East Sterndale...but the ES records only start at 1765...........

More later xx

Derek

dennis wragg b 1826 matlock

can you lookup his marriage to a sarah shaw 1853 codnor derbyshire and see where she was born plz

many thanks
sarah

Hi Sarah........

DENNIS WRAGG Matlock 10.12.1826 son of John and Sarah

married SARAH SHAW (born Codnor 14.07.1833 baptised 02.10.1833) daughter of JOHN SHAW and ANNE ALLCOCK(married codnor 20.06.1831) Marriage took place Codnor 03.02.1853

JOHN SHAW was an Iron Miner and in 1851 was living at 134 Dakins Row Codnor with his wife ANNE,,,,daughter SARAH and ELIZA(b1841)

JOHN was born 1809 and ANNE 1813

If you want anything else just shout.


ADDITION 13.10 Saturday........some more info that you might find interesting:

1861...John Shaw is living with his wife at 43 Daykins Row.
Thomas Wheeldon is living next door at 44, having married ELIZA, dsughter of John.and they have a 2year old son called John

1871....JOHN SHAW is now a widower and is Head of Household that includes Thomas and Eliza and FOUR children

All the best

Derek

Steven de Gussa..Hi Steven..sorry about that..I must have meant to answer you and forgot..mea culpa!

YES..Phillimore Marraiage registers confirm the marriage of a heavily pregnant(!) HANNAH STURLAND to JOHN WATERS 01.05.1785

just in time for the confirmed birth of son THOMAS 22.06.1785.
Source Wilne parish registers.

If you have access to IGI you will find all sorts of submitted dates for the marriage..including the name HANNAH BINGE!!..mild amusement.

But my information is entirley accurate.

Sorry to keep you waiting

Derek