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Chrissie2394........sorry to keep you waiting..but i think yo'll be pleased with what I found:-

I jotted down about 20 Baptisms at Mickleover for various Dakins.

The one you want is JOHN DAKIN batised 05.07.1840..son of John and Elizabeth Dakin..and his BROTHER Thomas 02.03.1845
Didn't find thomas' marriage sorry
Derek

Hi Derek,

Thank you for looking but the John I asked for was born c1809, the father of the one you found.

Chrissie

Chrissie.what has been confusing me is the 1809 bit. is there any reason that John Dakin Mickleover 1813.ahould not be the one who married Elizabeth potts of breedn-0n-the Hill also b. 1813???
EDIT.Have since found Elizabeth Potts b Breedon 01.09.1811..and her marriage to John Dakin 17.09.1832..at breedon, which explains why i couldn't find it in Mickleover.
Any researching in leicestershire is for me somewhat li8mited.best left to someone else. There is a thread on here called "Who are we looking for in leicestershire.

All the best.

Derek

Hi Derek,

Thank you for your reply. My John Dakin has stated in one census he was born at Langley and in others at Mickleover. You very kindly looked at the langley baptisms for me checking back as far as 1803 I believe but he wasn't listed. You then offered to check the Mickleover ones for me. From the ages in the census I thought he was born c1813 but on his death certificate in Oct 1877 his age was given as 69 so he could have been born 1808-09. Sorry if there's been some confusion.

Chris

Hi Derek,

I am hopeing you have some records for Smalley

I`m looking for the marriage of Samuel Rogers/Rodgers (b.1760) and Mary ?, first child born 1792 in Smalley

Any help appreciated and thank you for looking

Sylvia

Hi Sylvia........just had a quick look at my records...SAMUEL RODGERS Baptised 05.07.1760.son of Thomas and Mary..........but it doesn't look as if he married there......he will have married Mary in her own Pariish..I'll look..

Derek

Thank you for looking Derek, i would have no clue where Marys parish was, but will keep looking


Sylvia

Chrissie..just a thought..i was visiting people in Derbyshire today..and i had time to spare..and when i ma in the middle of the dales i look at gravestones.i happened to be in Matlock and a tiny village nearby called ELTON........I found the grave of JOHN DAKIN born 1799 and alongside that of his wife SARAH............just a thought!

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Thank you for the info. That's certainly worth me looking into.

Chrissie

Derek, I asked you for help a little while back tracing details of Harriet Todd. Well.......Derby register office have found the cert for me and it is on its way to me as I speak.!!!!!
Please remove me from your very long list of requests!! Many thanks for your advise and I will continue to read this thread........jill

Hi Jill..i never remove anyone from my thread,you're welcome to come back at any time. It's nice to know that you and others like to read my thread, i like to make it as chatty and intersting as possible. Thank you and good luck.

Derek

Ooh heck Derek, I feel a bottle of scotch coming on.

This is a really mega breakthrough. But I need your devoted attention to confirm my findings. This is BIG STUFF for me, solves mega searches.

Perhaps I should have PMd you but maybe the post will help others to see how convoluted connections can be.

You will be aware that I have long been trying to find a connection between one elusive Thomas Needham (relative of a Genes member) born Tideswell around 1801, married 3 times in Tideswell Church but never baptised and trying to find a connection with my family - and so far failed. The purpose was to find a connection between my friend whose grandfather is Thomas Needham of Tideswell. A descendent of Thomas Needham is Thomas Brightmore. Well, I think I have got it. But it is not through Needhams at all. And it is not to my family, but to the family of my daughter's husband-to-be next month. And it is not to Thomas Needham either.

It might be a long post cos I need to be certain, and if you can confirm things, send me your address and the scotch will be on its way, or I will deliver it in person. Some way.

This is what I have from internet sources.

Walter Royles b Bakwell Sep 1845 married Eliza Staley in Jun 1873, Sheffield, she born Sep 1845. This pair are my prospective son-in-laws ggg grandparents.

Walter Royles b Bakewell Sep 1845. His parents John Royles of Great Hucklow b 1818 and Ann Elizabeth b Tideswell c 1818., Living Sheffield 1851+

John Royles of Hucklow b 1818 m Ann Elizabeth Bramwell b Jan 1817 Tideswell.

John Royles married Anne Elizabeth Bramwell, 28/10/1839 Tideswell. His father Nicholas Royles, her father Robert Bramwell. (Even Ancestry told me that!).

His parents Nicholas and Dorothy Wragg. No further on this pair.

Back to Robert Bramwell b Tideswell. M Mary Needham B Tideswell - marriage 19/11/1816.

I hav Robert Bramwell b 1797 and Mary Bramwell b 1801 as sibilngs:

Children of Thomas Bramwell and Catherine Stevenson, married 19/5/1780
Tideswell.:

Robert 1797
Mary 1801
Thomas 1789
Elizabeth 1792
Jesse 1799

Now to move upwards:

Mary Bramwell b 1801 m Thomas Brightmore.

And believe it or not ,but Thomas Brightmore married into the Needham family, where I thought I might have a connection. But the connection seems to be through the Bramwells.

Madmeg..only just got your message.....but will answer it tomorrow..promise........I'll have a look now..depends how far I get.......and there is no Scotch in the house!!

Derek

Madmeg.right, dealing with this bit by bit because a) there are millions of Bramwells and Royles in Tideswell..at least a dozen Robert Bramwells!..and also at Hope, where Nicholas married Dorthy Wragg..an b) i am, in the words of the prophet .cream crackered.

NICHOLAS ROYLES born Tideswell 05.01.1772 son of Robert and Ellen.
married DOROTHY WRAGG at Hope 20.04.1805
They had the following children (at Tideswell)
James 09.03.1806
George 05.07.1812
JOHN 21.21.09.1817
Thomas 06.11.1814

ROBERT BRAMWELL married MARY NEEDHAM 19.11.1816 at Tideswell

ANN ELIZABETH their daughter baptised 23.01.1817

married (the above) JOHN ROYLES (of Hallam) 28.10.1839

That's as far as i've got at the moment, but will no doubt add more details as I find them.
Ok ADDITION 23.45.THOMAS BRAMWELL married CATHERINE STEVENSON Tideswell 19.05.1780

Children:

Ellen 23.02.1783
Thomas 15.11.1789
Elizabeth 24.06.1792
ROBERT 26.03.1797
Jesse 03.03.1799
Mary 11.12.1801

MARY BRAMWELL married THOMAS BRIGHTMORE 10.10.1822
Brightmore children:

Elizabeth 16.-2.1823
William 17.01.1825
Joseph 11.01.1829
Jesse 19.10.1832
Ralph 01.01.1839

P.S.have had a hunt around and have found no link fo Thomas brightmore to the Needhams.....enlighten me!!

Derek

Hi Derek

Thanks, this confirms what I had on that lot. I didn't have Ellen Bramwell 1783. But I do have Ellen Royles b 1827 to Nicholas and Dorothy - rather later than the other children, am I wrong?

Sorry, I misled you on Thomas Brightmore marrying a Needham - it was his grandson James (son of Joseph and Ann Robinson) who married (another) Mary Needham, grand-daughter of the Thomas Needham (b 1801) for whom we can find no baptism.

The wedding is taking place in Hope in 5 weeks. Everyone though that Hope was an odd choice, but it seems rather fitting now I have discovered ancestors on both their sides having married there. And on that day, my friend with whom I have been trying to prove a relationship will become the 6th cousin once removed of my son-in-law. Closest we can get!

Many thanks

Margaret

Hi Derek

Thanks, this confirms what I had on that lot. I didn't have Ellen Bramwell 1783. But I do have Ellen Royles b 1827 to Nicholas and Dorothy - rather later than the other children, am I wrong?

Sorry, I misled you on Thomas Brightmore marrying a Needham - it was his grandson James (son of Joseph and Ann Robinson) who married (another) Mary Needham, grand-daughter of the Thomas Needham (b 1801) for whom we can find no baptism.

The wedding is taking place in Hope in 5 weeks. Everyone though that Hope was an odd choice, but it seems rather fitting now I have discovered ancestors on both their sides having married there. And on that day, my friend with whom I have been trying to prove a relationship will become the 6th cousin once removed of my son-in-law. Closest we can get!

Many thanks

Margaret

Sorry, I'm not giving you chance to breathe!

Something is amiss with my records of Ann Robinson bc 1830 who marries Joseph Brightmore on 28 Jun 1852, father Edward, a weaver.

IGI has Edward marrying Ellen Hudson 25/12/1826.

IGI gives 4 children, Mary Jun 1827, Ann Oct 1829, Jane and Richard.

Edward m Ellen Hudson 25/12/1826 and in 1841 and 1851 they have children Ann, Jane, Richard and later Hannah b 1842.

But IGI says Ann ch Oct 1829 dies 1/8/1839. On the other hand, my Tideswell CD says the Ann dying on that date is age 4.

Info on Mary is also odd - IGI says the Mary b June 1827 dies 18/1/1829, but the CD says she is 41 (though does give parents as Edward and Ellen).

Do you have any better information?

Margaret

Hi margaret.ok let's deal with Ann Robinson first. Forget IGI..if we have the parish records to work with, as we have,then unless IGI agrees with them.IGI is wrong.
At least, that's how i work

I have the Tideswell records in five different formats..aome are more informative than others.

ANN ROBINSON baptised 23.10.1829.....daughter of Edward and Ellen.....married JOSEPH BRIGHTMORE 28.06.1852...if and when she dies ahe is a Brightmore not a Robinson.....The full marriage record gives Ann's father as Edward.a Weaver..as you know,,and Joseph's father as a Stone Mason called Thomas.

The confusion lies in the fact that another Ann Robinson was baptised 08.01.1830 daughter of Richard and Sarah..stay with me!! there is also Ann Robinson who marries 29.06.1852..but her father is a shoemaker named Samuel..........
SO Ann Robinson 08.01.1830 did not marry......becasue she died 01.08.1839 aged 10.........end of story!

will get back later with your other "problems"

OK back 18.29..I don't know which CD you've got margaret but its a bit different from mine.........MARY ROBINSON Burial..is correct on IGI and backed up on Tideswell Burials..Buried 18.01.1829 aged ONE YEAR AND SIX MONTHS (died of POX) presumably small pox.

Again according to Tideswell parish records...Edward and Elle had SIX children.....

Mary 30.06.1827
ANN 23.10.1829
Jane 05.06.1832
Joseph 31.02.1835
Richard 15.07.1837
Hannah 12.12.1841

Derek

Margaret..here's a sad saga:: THOMAS BRIGHTMORE & MARY BRAMWELL....not very lucky with their childre:-
Elizabeth died 09.04.1824 aged 15 months
William died 24.01.1825 i week old
Jesse died 18.12.1834 aged 2 of small pox.

ROBERT andCATHERINE weren't much luckier.....

Ann died 16.10.1817
Jesse died 08.07.1825 aged 6

Catherine herself had died 30.03.1819 aged 33..clealry just after the birth of Jesse......

any more pearls i can find you?? lo
OOPs..just realised..perhaps Robert and catherine aren't yours? but Catherine was a Bramwell

Derek

You're a star. It all makes sense when you have the actual parish records, and not relying on other sources.

You have sorted it all. I knew you would.

Have a pseudo scotch on me!

Margaret