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Can anyone help please,George Redfern aged 24 married in Sheffield 1907 to Ellen Redfern Nee Redfern also aged 24 born sheffield George born Massachusetts America.on wedding certificate father is left blank for Ellen.The birth certificate i have for her says her father was Henry Redfern and mother Mary Jane Dillon.but some one contacted me on genes who turns out that her father was my granfathers brother,she also as the wedding certificate but on the birth one it says no father mother Martha Redfern and present at the birth Jane Redfern,are we both wrong with the parents of Ellen or could one of us be right,please help thanks Janette.

??Ellen Redfern
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth:
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1891 — England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: Ellen Redfern
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Female
age: 9
relationship to head of household: Adopted Daughter
birthplace: Sheffield, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Sheffield
sub-district: North Sheffield
ecclesiastical parish: St Philips
civil parish: Sheffield
county: Yorkshire (West Riding)

Geo Redfern
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth: 1884 — Sheffield, Yorkshire
christening:
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 31 Mar 1901 — Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
parents:
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Geo Redfern
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 17
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Sheffield, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Sheffield
sub-district: North Sheffield
ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St Jude Moorfields
civil parish: Sheffield
county: Sheffield, North Sheffield, Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding)

Where are they in 1911.

Maryb

Hi George and Ellen in 1911 was living in Sheffield there sons George born 1907,Alfred 1909,Arthur 1913,Harry 1917,John 1922 and daughter Ellen born 1917 were also born in Sheffield

There is this Ellen who seems to tie in with Henry and Mary Jane as parents:

Census 1891:

Name: Ellen Redfern
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Redfern
Mother's name: Mary J Redfern
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls St Marys
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: South Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3823
Folio: 113
Page Number: 8

Household Members: Name Age
Henry Redfern 30
Mary J Redfern 28
Ellen Redfern 4
John Hy Redfern 1


and then there is the one AOGG found, who is adopted by the Middleton family:

Census 1891:

Name: Ellen Redfern
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Adopted Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3817
Folio: 39
Page Number: 28

Household Members: Name Age
James Middleton 56
Jane Middleton 57
Eliza Middleton 19
Louisa Middleton 2
Ellen Redfern 9


I don't know which Ellen is more likely to be yours.

I have found a George Redfern in the army,enlisted 1914 no 2954 he was married to a Ellen and lived at 6/10 Crt Hoyle street Sheffield.

1891 James Middleton and adopted daughter at 9 ct 17 house Hoyle Street.

Maryb

1871 South Sheffield D7 > 43

James Middleton 1835 married
Jane Redfern age 40 widow housekeeper
Henry Redfern 18
George 16
Sarah 14
Mary A 12
Hannah 10
Martha 6
Eliza 1 month all named Redfern.

Maryb

Still can't find them 1911.

Maryb

1861 23,Coal Pit Lane Sheffield
Charles Redfern 1826 Sheffield
Jane 1831
Henry 8
George 6
Sarah 4
Mary A 2

Charles had a borther Alfred 1835.

Maryb

Hi everyone thankyou for your help,on her death certificate it says she died 23th nov 1958 aged 79

1881 North Sheffield D33 > 67
7-4 Ct Radford street
James Middleton 1835
Jane Middleton wife.
Martha Redfern 17 daughter
Ellen Redfern says on original view daughter of above age 4 months.
James Middleton 14


So on reading that does it mean Martha is Ellens mum!!
That would fit in with the certificate which says Ellen's mum Martha Redfern with Jane Redfern present.

Maryb

Martha Redfern 1865 married Bernard Walker in 1883.

1891 as Walker but
1901 as Redfearn at 10ct 2 House Hoyle Street D9 > 34.
with 9 children.

I think this is deffinately the family you are looking for,and the mum of Ellen is indeed Martha born 1865.

Maryb

Hi thankyou for your help,so if i have it right Martha had Ellen when she was unmarried and a young girl,Jane was Ellens grandmother who first married Charles Redfern and later married James Middleton.Martha later maried Bernard Walker.So anyone might be Ellens father. thanks again Janette.

Yes that Is the conclusion I came to.

Maryb

Thankyou for all your help,you are a star.wouldnt it be funny if the Middleton family was a relation of Prince Williams girlfriend.

Sorry its me again,Ellens grand mother Jane was Married to Charles Redfern,then married James Middleton,i can not find a marriage for either of them,i can not look up janes maiden name because i can not find the marriage to Charles Redfern,can you help please thanks Janette.

there is this one
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: REDFEARN, Charles
Registration District: Help Sheffield
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 22
Page No: Help 642
MarriageFinder™: Charles Redfearn married one of the following people Help


CRAWSHAW, Ann view record
DICKINSON, Elizabeth view record
STOCKS, Winifred view record
WOOD, Jane view record
ARMSTRONG, Henry view record
ASKEW, Richard view record
PARKINSON, George

Jane wood might be right their first child was born in 1853,plus if they married in 1851 she would have been early 20is.

Jane wood might be right their first child was born in 1853,plus if they married in 1851 she would have been early 20is.