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I have been doing my family tree since 2004 and have only had a problem with my Great Grandad William Smith. If anyone can help me with this I will be very grateful, below is as much info about him that I have.

William Smith c1884 (married) Mary Jane Clough 1893
William & Mary were married at St Michaels Vicerage, Westoe Road, South Shields on 27/01/1912.

Together they had 10 children,

Gladysolgo Smith 1912
William Smith 1914
Mathew Smith 1916
Elizabeth Smith 1919
Thomas Smith 1920
Mary Smith 1924
Nancy Smith 1926 - c1952
Ronald Smith 1927
Albert Smith 1929 - 1988
Brian Smith 1932 - 2001 (My Grandad)

I have been told by family members that William was disowned by his family because he married Mary Jane Clough (as she was poor). I have also been told by my Mam that William died of pneumonia shovelling snow in South Shields, not sure when though, also not long after William died, Mary Jane Clough died in a fire at her home.

I have loads of info on Mary but next to nothing on William, none of my living relatives know anything about him, except that I think Williams father is James Henry Smith, but I have no other info on him, just the name.

I will be extremely grateful to anyone who can find anything on William, I have his marraige certificate but nothing else.

If anyone needs any more info just message me and I will try my best to see what else I might have.

Sean Smith

Hi Sean,

What was Williams occupation and address on his marriage certificate?

Who were the witnesses on the certificate too please.


Dee x

census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, William
Address: 8 Elizabeth St South Shields


Can see 1 loose cannon in SS prior to his marriage, but until you answer |Dee's question nothing else to go on.




Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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CLARK, John Head Married
18 years M 74 1837 Mariner Durham C and T VIEW
CLARK, Annie Wife Married
18 years F 64 1847 Whitewall Cork Ireland VIEW
COLLINS, Nora Sister Single F 69 1842 Assistant Help Whitewall Cork Ireland VIEW
OWENS, James Boarder Single M 68 1843 Labourer General Latrim Ireland VIEW
SMITH, William Boarder Single M 28 1883 Plate Layer Spennymoor Durham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30290 Reference:
RG14PN30290 RG78PN1745A RD556 SD1 ED31 SN110

Registration District:
South Shields Sub District:
South Shields Enumeration District:
31 Parish:
South Shields

Address:
8 Elizabeth St South Shields County:
Durham



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Hello

Thanks for getting back to me, on the marraige certificate Williams occupation is a Plate Layer, but I can not read his address, his wife Mary lived at 197 John Clay Street when they were married, but Williams address is different. I can make out an 8 ----- Street, might be 8 Elizabeth Street

Wittnesses were, M Clough, P Smith and Elizabeth Ann Clough

Sean,

**Ann** s 1911 census looks very good then!! Could the address be Elizabeth Street???

I have to go out, but with the 1911 census I would say you have an excellent start!!!


Well done Ann



Dee x

Sorry

couldn't resist;

1891 England Census
about William Smith
Name: William Smith
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Spennymoor, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Tudhoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Tudhoe Grange
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Smith 33
Annie Smith 9
William Smith 7
>>>>Peter Smith 6
Alice Smith 4
Thomas Chapman 19
Matthew H Thirth 19
Henry W Grieves 22
Arthur Birdenshaw 22

1881 England Census
about Sarah Smith
Name: Sarah Smith
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Smith
Gender: Female
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Ferryhill
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: Low Spenny Moor
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Smith 21 >> Gas Fitter born Birmingham
Sarah Smith 23


Dee x

I thought you were going out!! lol

Annx

out now..........

I'm late, I'm late for a very .....................


bye sy bye, Dee xx

Well thats him then above on the 1911 census!

Annx

I can't actually believe you've found all of this :D it's took me 7 years and I've found nowt, I am so happy I can't calm down lol, thank you so much, just gotta read through it all and sort it all out and get it slapped on my tree, best get my pen and paper out :D

Again thank you all so much.

This is the only William Smith, without a second name, born in Durham between 1883 and 1885 -

Births Sep 1883
SMITH William Durham 10a 388

Excuse me.........coughs & splutters! it was me who found him!! LOL
Shaun........know you said you had lots on wifey.........do you have the 1911



census - household transcription
Person: CLOUGH, Mary Jane
Address: 7 Reay Street Tyne Dock South Shields

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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CLOUGH, Matthew Head Married M 48 1863 Coal Miner Under Ground Railway Tavern S Shields Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Jane Agnes Wife Married
21 years F 38 1873 Kells Lane Low Fell Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 18 1893 General Servant Domestic Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Elizabeth Ann Daughter Single F 16 1895 Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Thomas Son Single M 14 1897 Screener Above Ground- Coal Mine Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Isabel Daughter F 11 1900 Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Frederick Martin Son M 6 1905 School Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, Josephine Daughter F 9 1902 School Reay Street Co Durham VIEW
CLOUGH, May Niece F 2 1909 Reay Street Co Durham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30331 Reference:
RG14PN30331 RG78PN1745B RD556 SD1 ED72 SN40

Registration District:
South Shields Sub District:
South Shields Enumeration District:
72 Parish:
South Shields

Address:
7 Reay Street Tyne Dock South Shields County:
Durham



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Has she really gone to that important date???


1901 census transcription details for: 59, Durham Road, Tudhoe

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4680 Folio: 73 Page: 16

Reg. District: Durham Sub District: St Oswald
Parish: Tudhoe Enum. District: 43
Ecclesiastical District: St Andrews Tudhoe Grange City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 59, Durham Road, Tudhoe
County: Durham
SMITH, Elizabeth Sarah Head Widow F 41 1860
Wednesbury Staffordshire
SMITH, Edith Annie Daughter Single F 19 1882
Half Moon Lane Durham
SMITH, William Son Single M 18 1883 Stock Takers Clerk Steelworks
Half Moon Lane Durham
SMITH, Peter Son Single M 16 1885 Apprentice Engineman (Ironworks)
Half Moon Lane Durham
SMITH, Alice Violet Daughter Single F 13 1888
Tudhoe Grange Durham
BLAKEBOROUGH, William E Boarder Single M 21 1880 Journeyman Pork Butcher
Baldersby Yorkshire

The middle names may help.


Maureen

Maureen............I think she's got another man! sssh

Half Moon Lane.......what a quaint placename!

Annx

Wow, I have loads of info now, I have loads of info on Mary's family, parents, kids, bros and sisters etc, but I don't have the 1911 for anyone, how do you get it?

LOL!
Makes you want to write a mystery novel. Half Moon Lane. Just me,sorry!

Don't know about you,but I'm expecting a cedar plank flying through my window when our Dee gets home from her "assignation".

Well done,though! Heck-all of the Smiths to choose from! And my maiden name was....

Maureen

EDIT: So sorry,Sean!! I didn't mean to have my post sticking out there after yours.

The 1911's are from FindmyPast

Go to this page where you can do a free search on 1911:

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

When you have found who you want - come back here and ask for one of us to view the image!!!

It is more fun if you find things for yourself!!

However, rather that paying for image, you can ask on here !!

Dea Xxx

James had died by 1891 but Alice was born in 1887 and I suspect that James died as below -

Births Jun 1887
Smith Alice Violet Durham 10a 351

Deaths Mar 1890
Smith James 30 Durham 10a 244

Is it because it's a Monday???

Ann gave the 1911 census for the families.
Dee did the 1881.

I do like(?) the death that Christine2 put up.

Dea!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Maureen