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Hi everyone, it has been a year since the last update to his thread and I have not made any further progress. My ancestor Henry William Lucas definitely ended up in an Industrial school in Barnet where he learned the skills to become a butcher. As to what happened to his three sisters following the death of his father is still uncertain. As they were living in one of the poorest parts of London, I wonder if they could have been sent to Australia or NZ as pauper children. As more records become accessible it might be possible to find out one day.

Kay,
As you may know the Girls Village home at Barkingside was the big Thomas Barnardo home.

Essex Record Office may have the records for the Girls Institue,or direct if any exsist and where housed.

01245--244644.

or try their gov web contact details.

These type of admittance and release records are very detailed.

Thanks
Info doesnt quite fit as father was Henry William Lucas - dustman However she was only about 7 years old when he died and was then adopted.

For info

Name: Annie Lucas
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Henry Luke Cooksley
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1897
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Lucas - slaughterman
Spouse Father Name: Henry Luke Cooksley


Annie gives 199 Brick Lane as her address

No mention of father being deceased


So rule this one out without looking at 1911

Assuming Annie did lose her middle name after adoption there is a possible marriage

Sep 1897 Bethnal Green 1c 426

Annie Lucas
Henry Luke Cooksley

I have run out of credit to look at the 1911 census for them to see any detail!

You may also have to consider Annie as Constable.

Catherine

Hi Catherine,
Yes the details of year of birth on the census seem to be a little out when the children are no longer living with parents. Fortunately on the 1911 census Henry William Lucas knew all his birth details - even giving the road he was born in, so I had a definite link back to his sisters. His father died in 1886 and the mother probably 1881 - the death certificate I have is not conclusive.

I need to concentrate on the sisters - maybe Annie to find a marriage and a 1901 census entry. However if she dropped the Louise/Louisa middle name after being adopted then it will be a hard task as Annie Lucas is a very common name in London.

Thanks for all your help so far

Hi Paul

I just search for Henry and after finding him in the schol for boys I reckoned that the girls may be in a similar situation. It is unlikely that the girls would be providing the census information and others may not have the exact details.

As for records about the schools etc, I think you should now change the title of this posting to something pertinent about how to find the school information. I am sure there will be people on here who can provide guidance.

Regards
Catherine

Catherine,
No wonder it was hard to find them in 1891 if they gave places of birth as "East, London" and "N".
I would be interested to know the source of your 1891 census information and constable is the surname above - not Caretabb!

There must be a juvenile court record of how the children were found homes. Henry William Lucas ended up at Church Farm Industrial school Barnet where he learnt to be a butcher.

Possible for Annie:

1891
Name: Anni Lucas
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Adopted Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: East, London, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St George In The East
Sub-registration district: St George North
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Caretabb 47
Mary Ann Caretabb 42
Anni Lucas 11

Possible for Jane:

Name: Rhoda Jane Lucas
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: N

Civil Parish: Ilford
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Barking Side
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: Girls Village Home for Orphan Neglected and Destitute Girls

Regards

Catherine

I note on the 1811 both Lydia (mother) and Lydia (daughter) are recorded as Rhoda. Have you seen this marriage:

Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Cassom Edward Bethnal Green 1c 27
Davis Isabella Elizabeth London C. 1c 27
Gray Edward Francis London C. 1c 27
>>>>Lucas Rhoda London C. 1c 27
Skinner Russell William J H London C.

Just a thought Paul - did their mother re-marry? I had a similar problem and found them on a census with another surname (actually, the mother in my case didn't actually marry the second time, but the she and the children were recorded with the chap's name).

Gai

Hello detectives - I still have not got anywhere in tracing my Lucas relatives. Can anyone find any clues as to what happened to the Lucas sisters?

I have still not been able to find anything on my missing Lucas sisters. Please can anyone spend some time to help?

It is 11 months since I posted this and unfortunately I have not got anywhere. Could some kind people please look again and help me discover what happened to these Lucas sisters?

OK,
The father of Annie Louise Lucas married in Kensington 1906 was David Lucas
The father of Jane Elizabeth Lucas married in St Saviour 1892 was Benjamin Joseph Lucas
I am looking for a father of Henry William Lucas.

In the 1911 census I have not found any Lydia, Jane or Annies with the right birth date or birthplace of St Lukes. I shall go back to the 1901 census again to see if there are any I missed the first time around.

Paul

On Ancestry the following marriage:-

Jane Elizabeth Lucas to James Theodore Brown

Oct-Dec 1892
St. Saviour, Southwark
1d 347

She is on 1901 census

Oh dear! How strange and how odd! Sorry about that Paul.

Cynthia,
I can confirm that I splashed out on the marriage certificate for this one and it is NOT my Annie Louise Lucas!