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GillianMac

GillianMac Report 27 Apr 2010 12:12

Come back and let us know if the Thanet birth that I found is the right one (As Janey agrees with me it stands a good chance)

Florence61

Florence61 Report 27 Apr 2010 19:02

will do ladies.

Florence61

Florence61 Report 2 May 2010 10:53

clara covelands mar 1901. have been trying to find her death but cant. no one in the family remembers aunt clara and can only think she died quite young. the spelling changes doesnt help! i tried to find the family on the 1911 census but her mother sophie skinner didnt show anywhere in the kent area.
janey if you a spare 5 to have a look id be grateful. i put this here because all the other info relevant is on this thread.
thanks flo

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 12:05

Just searching through 1901 for those living in thanet I have found lots of unreadable entries like this one for instance.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: ?, ?
Address: 36, Central Road, St Lawrence Intra
?, ? Head Married M ?
?
Kent VIEW
?, ? Wife Married F 62 1839
?
Kent VIEW
?, ? Daughter F
?
Kent VIEW
?, Lizzie Daughter F 11 1890
Ramsgate
Kent


It could be that your family are one of these entries.

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 2 May 2010 15:04

I have tried all sorts of combinations trying to find Sophie and Clara in 1911.
You have Sophies marriage cert so can you say what age Charles Edward Skinner was when they married and his occupation -if we can find him we might find them

Florence61

Florence61 Report 2 May 2010 18:22

on their marriage cert, it gives charles edward skinner age 31(born around 1871) profession-dealer. living at 6 forge lane ashford, kent. his father was stephen john skinner, carpenter. at this address also lived sophies mum hannah, husband henry syrett and their children. dont know how long they all lived together though. they married on the 7th may 1902 in ashford,kent.

i appreciate the help in this and i know its not the easiest of searches, but at the same time i just want to complete the history of this part of the family.
on a separate tree i am doing the skinner family ie charles family but thats a different story!!

ladies thanks for info today
flo

Florence61

Florence61 Report 2 May 2010 18:24

i have just had a thought, does anyone know if you can just search an address instead of the name?

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 2 May 2010 19:19

I still cant find Charles Edward with Sophie/Sophia in 1911.
As regards Clara it might be the case when Sophie married Charles , that Clara was put up for adoption? Have you got her birth cert yet? I think registers are notated on adoption but this may not apply to certs

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 20:38

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 6 Forge Lane Ashford Kent
52 SKINNER, Catherine Head Widow F 76 1835 Old Age Pension Ashford Kent VIEW
52 SKINNER, James Son Single M 39 1872 Butchers Assistant Broomfield Kent

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 20:40

more skinners at no 3

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 3 Forge Lane Ashford Kent
173 SKINNER, William Head Married
11 years M 52 1859 Boot Repairer Ashford Kent
173 SKINNER, Ann Wife Married F 40 1871 Landrury Work Whathurst Sussex
173 TOWLER, Lillian F 14 1897 Tambridge Wells
173 SKINNER, Dolly Daughter F 10 1901 Frant
173 SKINNER, Rose Daughter F 6 1905 Faversham
173 SKINNER, Stephen Son M 1 1910 Ashford
173 JAMES, Anne Lodger Single F 50 1861 Ashford

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 20:47

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 6, Forge Lane, Ashford
88 SYRETT, Hannah Head Married F 50 1851 Hawker
Ramsgate
Kent
88 VAN COVENDEN, Sophie Daughter Single F 20 1881 Hawker
London
88 SYRETT, Harry Son M 10 1891
Sittingbourne
Kent
88 SYRETT, May Daughter F 8 1893
St Marys Cray
Kent
88 SYRETT, Mary Daughter F 6 1895
Sutton Vallence
Kent
88 COVENDEN, Chara V Grand Daughter F 0 1901
Ashford
Kent

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 21:07

Catherine in 1901

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SKINNER, Catherine
Address: 3, Edinburgh Road, Ashford
SKINNER, Alfred Head Married M 22 1879 Coach Maker (Railway)
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Ellen Wife Married F 22 1879
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Stephen Father Married M 74 1827 Carpenter
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Catherine Mother Married F 66 1835
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, James Brother Single M 29 1872 Laborer (Railway Factory)
Bloomsfield
Kent
MATE, Harry Boarder Single M 20 1881 Millers Laborer
Ashford
Kent

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 2 May 2010 21:11

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SKINNER, Catherine
Address: 55, New Street, Ashford
SKINNER, Stephen Head Married M 55 1826 Carpenter Journeyman
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Catherine Wife Married F 46 1835
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Sarah Daughter Single F 24 1857
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, William Son Single M 21 1860 General Labourer
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Joseph Son Single M 17 1864 Waiter
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Charles Son Single M 15 1866 Waiter
London
Middlesex
SKINNER, Rosa Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, James Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Charlotte Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 4 1877
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, George Son Single M 2 1879
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Edward Son Single M 0 1881

Florence61

Florence61 Report 2 May 2010 21:41

hi there, thanks for all that what a lot of skinners!. i have claras birth cert. she was named clara covelands mar 1901 born. you see her brother charles arthur was my grandad. he lived until he was 55 and died in 1957 but at no time was ther ever a mention of clara by any of the family. i do wonder if she died very young. ie before she was 3? after charles was born and after his mother married sophie had another child called may skinner. she was born around 1904/5. some of her children are still living albeit very old and i have no contact at all and being 900 miles away have no chance of getting any info
however she also is invisible as regards her birth as i have exhausted everywhere in looking for her. i know when she died and when she married but where and when she was born is another matter.

anyway for now will digest some of the skinner info you have uncovered.

i have sent for the birth cert that could be sophie in thanet. they said at the gro 10 days and there is still a backlog so will have to be patient i guess.
thanks to all for helping tonight
flo

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 3 May 2010 01:07

Most likely to be Charles's birth?

Births Mar 1869
SKINNER Charles Edward Medway 2a 474

Ah, except, 1871:

Name: Charles Skinner
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Stephn John
Mother's Name: Catherine
> Where born: London, England

> Civil parish: Ashford
Address: 20 Gravel Walk

Stephn John Skinner 45 - Sawyer
Catherine Skinner 36
Sarah Skinner 14
Joseph Skinner 7
Charles Skinner 5
Rosa Skinner 1

which matches LadyKira's 1881 census.

So this birth looks most likely, and he fibbed about age when he married:

Births Jun 1865
Skinner Charles Edward Bromley 2a 288

Just in case he decided to come clean about his age in 1911. ;)



What else can you tell us abut May Skinner born c 1904/5?
From her marriage record -- any middle initial? married where?
From her death record - died when? before 1971 so no birthdate on death record? any chance of a middle name/initial on death record?

Details might help find her birth / find them in 1911 ...

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 May 2010 01:55

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SKINNER, Rosa
Address: 55, New Street, Ashford
SKINNER, Stephen Head Married M 55 1826 Carpenter Journeyman
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Catherine Wife Married F 46 1835
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Sarah Daughter Single F 24 1857
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, William Son Single M 21 1860 General Labourer
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Joseph Son Single M 17 1864 Waiter
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Charles Son Single M 15 1866 Waiter
London
Middlesex
SKINNER, Rosa Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, James Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Charlotte Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 4 1877
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, George Son Single M 2 1879
Ashford
Kent
SKINNER, Edward Son Single M 0 1881
London
Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 May 2010 01:56

Notice how Charles and Edward on this census are noted as being born in Middlesex.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 May 2010 02:13

Not so sure about the Bromley birth

1891 census - household transcription
Person: SKINNER, Stephen
Address: 1, Hearn Road, St Pauls Cray
SKINNER, Stephen Head Married M 48 1843 Farm Labourer
Kemsing
Kent
SKINNER, Eliza Wife Married F 49 1842
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Charles Edward Son Single M 25 1866 Gardener
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Sarah Harriett Daughter Single F 23 1868 Paper Mill Hand
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Annie Frances Daughter Single F 21 1870 Paper Mill Hand
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Stephen Son Single M 19 1872 Farm Labourer
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, William James Son Single M 17 1874 Farm Labourer
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Bestie Louisa Daughter Single F 14 1877 Scholar
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Eliza Eleanor Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar
Chislehurst
Kent
SKINNER, Alfred Richard Son Single M 9 1882 Scholar
Chislehurst
Kent

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 3 May 2010 02:34

So that leaves:

Births Sep 1863
SKINNER Charles Edward St Martin 1a 342

unless he wasn't registered with a middle name.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 3 May 2010 02:37

A possible

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles Edward Skinner
Name: Charles Edward Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jan 1867
Father's Name: Stephen John Skinner
Mother's Name: Catherine Skinner
Parish: Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex