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Surgeon John Heatley - Please review thread

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Simon

Simon Report 27 Jan 2012 20:52

John Heatley 1813
Born in Preston but trained at College of Surgeons in London.
Marriage: 19 May 1836 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Chemist and Druggist of London in the county of Middlesex
Ellen Jackson - Spinster
Witness: John Roskell Arrowsmith; L Lucas; Ann Heatley; E Craven
Married by Licence by: Thos. Todhunter Minister
Register: Marriages 1836-1837, Page 5, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1526078

First two sons born in London
An entry in Preston Chronicle (Preston, England), Saturday, September 26, 1840; Issue 1465. lists John Heatley of Whittle Le Woods having obtained a Game Licence for 1840.
In 1841 living at Dalton House Whittle
In 1851 living on Rochdale Road Manchester: Recorded as Heasley
In 1861 living at 87 Beecroft Terrace Blackley Manchester
Died at home on 13 October 1867 Paralysis 5 hours.
Death reported by son Peter Ralph Jackson
Buried 18th October 1867 in Manchester General Cemetary, Harpurhey.
Manchester General Cemetery UnknownSection 6145 3 John Heatley


1851 Census
HEATLEY, John Head Married M 39 1812 Surgeon M R C S Sone In General Practioner
Preston
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, Ellen Wife Married F 36 1815
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, John Son M 12 1839 Scholar At Home
Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
>>HEATLEY, Peter Ralph Son M 12 1839 Scholar
London
Middlesex VIEW
HEATLEY, Henry Heys Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Whittle
Lancashire VIEW
LUCAS, John Nephew Unmarried M 23 1828 Draper's Assistant
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
Rochdale Road, Manchester County:
Lancashire

Simon

Simon Report 27 Jan 2012 20:41

Yes i read the article but still can't find a link from Captain Heatley and Surgeon John Heatley 1813

I still can't find John's parents for sure without that I can't go back.

I found all these other Heatleys in the Catholic Records and thought I would be able get to John Heatley that way but not so far.

Frustrating.

Could you please cut & paste the newspaper article into this thread.

Quoy

Quoy Report 27 Jan 2012 18:43

further to page 7
did you read this article

Multiple News Items .
The Standard (London, England), Monday, April 12, 1841; Issue 5246. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

concerning the court case of the disputed will

gives a lot of family information


Simon

Simon Report 6 Nov 2011 19:46

If anyone is looking for a problem to solve please read my thread and see if you can see something I have missed and find a potential answer to who John heatley's parents were and where Captain William Heatley fit in.

Simon

Simon Report 19 May 2011 11:21

I have tried to come at John Heatley 1813 from all angles.

Census Records (with the help of JC and others and a pattern could still lead us to John)
IGI / Lancs OPC etc - no match other than the marriages.
Looked at other people who could be related like Captain William Heatley and Ralph Heatley Heys
Reviewed the witnesses at the weddings.
Bought Captain Williams will
Viewed other Wills and records on line - all these are in this thread.
Created a new tree starting with Hugh Heatley in 1620 and moving forward hoping to get to John Heatley. I still did not find enough evidence to link John Heatley to Hugh Heatley.

Unless anyone has anymore ideas I am going to halt this search for a while.
If I have time I will go to Preston Records Office and check / re-check the births in Preston, Salmsbury, Whittle and Brindle for around 1813 to see if I can find a John with parents John and Mary.
I am fairly confident that Johns parents would not have been weavers or Ag Labs they would have had money so if I find a John and Mary with son John who are landowners or business people they should be a good match.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me on this search.

Simon

Simon

Simon Report 18 May 2011 23:32

JC - I don't think Mary Turner and her Heatleys could tie with Surgeon John Heatley and the house he lived in Dalton House in 1841.

I think you are right to discount them.

Ann
I have never come across an Evan but we have two Evan Heatleys

The births of the children above Evan, Mary and Hugh are all from the same parents but no John.

Was there a John? who became a Corn Dealer?

He must have parents and siblings are these his?

But if John Heatley Corn Dealer and Mary Heys was John Heatley 1813 parents where are Johns siblings.

I know I am restating old questions but I struggle to believe we cant find the answers.

Thanks for your help

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 18 May 2011 22:47

interesting entry on lan-opc - never seen this notation before. Does it mean 'father of' or should it really be 's' for son?

Baptisms: 30 Jan 1788 St Michael, Kirkham, Lancashire, England
Evan Heatley - f of John Heatley & Ann
Abode: Medler
Notes: Duty 3
Source: LDS Film 1502433

there are a few Evan's on lan-opc - wouldn't uyou think it would have been a fairly uncommon name for a Lancashire family!

Simon

Simon Report 18 May 2011 20:47

JC I do have Free BMD, I have no excuse

Yes ruled out as John

He died in Ormskirk where the Heatley Heys lived! (a few pages back)

I / we seem to rule plenty out but very little in.

If I could only find out more links between John and Mary and John Heatley 1813 other than the Heys link I would be comfortable that they are related.
I am confident that John senior father is James Heatley with wife Betty Makinson

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 18 May 2011 20:43

I had this record open in a tab still because I was curious about it ...


1851

Name: Mary Turner
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Clayton Le Woods, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton Le Dale
County/Island: Lancashire

Mary Turner 67
Elizth Turner 37 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
Mary Turner 35 - invalid
Margt Turner 31 - bobbin winder
Jane Turner 24 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
John Heatley 19 - grson born Samlesbury c1831 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
Jane Turner 13 - grdaughter born Samlesbury c1838


Where did Mary Turner acquire a grandchild named Heatley?

Could Mary Turner be a remarried Mary Heatley?


There are three versions of this in the IGI, all submitted:

MARY HEATLEY
Spouse: WILLIAM TURNER
Marriage: 03 SEP 1810 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England
Batch Number: A455024


1841 in Walton Le Dale

William Turner 60 cotton weaver
Mary Turner 50
Elizabeth Turner 25
Mary Turner 20
Margaret Turner 15
George Turner 15
Jane Turner 12
Catherine Heatley 25
John Heatley 10
William Turner 5
Jane Turner 3


I guess it looks unlikely, given the date of the Heatley-Turner marriage and the socioeconomic status of the family.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 18 May 2011 20:18

Evan Heatley born 1787 -- Simon, you *do* have FreeBMD!!

Deaths Dec 1872
HEATLEY Evan 85 Ormskirk 8b 467

1872
- 85
= 1787


1841
Name: Evan Heatley - blacksmith
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hesketh With Becconstall
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Ormskirk

1871
Name: Evan Heatley
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Grandfather, Grandpa (Grandfather)
Where born: Kirkham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hesketh With Becconsall
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Ormskirk


Ruled out as John, at least most likely.

Simon

Simon Report 18 May 2011 18:05

Evan Heatley above is in a GR members tree. I have messaged them to find out if they have more family members. This would hopefully at least rule out these Heatleys or at least let me know where they fit in with the John Heatley 1813 and Captain William Heatley.

Simon

Simon Report 18 May 2011 08:46

[no title] DDH 505 29 May 1799

James Taylor's Will.

Heads of the will of James Taylor of Leigh, gent., -- confirms his marriage articles, all jewelry, furniture, horses and cattle etc., to his wife Catherine, annuity of £20 to his mother chargeable on an estate in Goosnargh in the occupation of William Cawell, £20 annuity to his sister chargeable on Goosnargh estate to commence 6 months after the death of his mother, real and personal property to his wife's brother William Heatley, his sister Ann Heatley, His own sister Chadwick and his nephew John Stonor in trust, to be divided equally amongst his children and also £2,000 each -- Witn. Richard Eccles, John Hewitt, Robert Halsall.

Simon

Simon Report 17 May 2011 22:48

A sister???



MARY HEATLEY
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
25 AUG 1795
Christening:
27 SEP 1795 Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLEY
Family
Mother: ELIZTH.

Parents = tick

Simon

Simon Report 17 May 2011 22:47

Is this another brother to Hugh?

EVAN HEATLEY
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
03 APR 1787
Christening:
15 APR 1787 Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLEY
Family
Mother: ELIZTH.

Parents - tick
Right time period - tick

Could Evan actually be John?
How common was the name Evan in Lancashire in the 1780's?

John married Mary Heys in 1813 so he could have been born in 1787 - tick

Simon

Simon Report 17 May 2011 22:33

This is interesting the marriage of Captain William Heatley's sister Catherine.


CATHARINA HEATLEY
Pedigree
Female
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES TAYLOR
Family
Marriage:
27 DEC 1785 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England


There daughter Catherine Taylor married Thomas Eastwood and inherited Brindle Hall

Simon

Simon Report 17 May 2011 22:31

Is this the brother of John Heatley Corn Dealer

HUGH HEATLY
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
18 APR 1785
Christening:
14 MAY 1785 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLY
Family
Mother: ELIZ.


Hugh is a Heatley family name - tick
Jas = James - tick
Eliz = Elizabeth = Betty = Betty Makinson - tick

This is James and Betty's marriage in 1784

Marriage: 17 Aug 1784 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Heatley - of Salmsbury in the parish of Blackburn
Betty Makinson - of Grimsargh in this parish
Witness: James Fowler; Wm. Hodgkinson
Married by Licence by: H. Shuttleworth - Vicar
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 136, Entry 403
Source: LDS Film 94013

Same church = tick

But I can't find a John Heatley record = boo!

Simon

Simon Report 17 May 2011 22:03

Hi JC and Ann

Thanks for your time

I have changed my profile pic to the gravestone of John Heatley Surgeon.

It gives no clues to where he was born but if his father was a Corn Dealer in Preston and census records state Preston I would think Preston.

Mary Heys must have been from Walton Le Dale but Heys and its variations is a common Surname in the area.
Was Mary Heys the daughter of John Heys of Gorse Hall
She would have been born in the late 1770's early 1780's

Gorse Hall, the seat of John Heys, Esq., situated on the road to Blackburn, is a substantial stone structure, with 60 acres of land attached. Whittle-le-Woods is celebrated for its malt, for which there are two large kilns, in constant operation, belonging to Mr. Edward Craven, of Dalton Lodge, and his partners
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=51401

This snippet also refers to Edward Craven of Dalton Lodge this building is across the road from Dalton House where surgeon John Heatley was living in 1841. Cravens were witnesses at both John Heatley's weddings.

If I thought another trip to Preston Records Office would provide the answers I would go, but I dont no where to look, which records to look at on microfiche.

There are so many Heatleys, Heys, Heatley Heys, in a small area of Lancashire.
I am going to spend a little bit of time on Hugh Wallis batches.

I have no connections with the Salmsbury Heatleys on GR I have two trees as I explained above. i created a tree with just the Heatleys starting with Hugh Heatley and moving forward using all the info in the Lancashire Registers.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 17 May 2011 16:57

looked for hayes / Rigby marriages

unfortunately there are quite a lot of them in Salmesbury / Lleyland/ Euxton area

atavar changed to a view of Salmesbury Hall

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 17 May 2011 16:46

That one looks excellent. Now if that John Hayes / Rigby just connects up somehow with Mary Heys Heatley.

;)


for ref, IGI batch numbers -- C=christening, M=marriage

Samlesbury
C020863 1813-1815
M020863 1761-1815
C020864 1816-1845
M020864 1816-1845
C020865 1635-1638 1661-1677
M020865 1635-1638 1661-1760
P020861 1678-1812
(St. Mary Rc) P015191 1753-1837

>> Walton Le Dale
P005681 1609-1808
E005681 M005681 1609-1812


So what that looks like is that Walton Le Dale is essentially not in the IGI for births after 1808 and marriages after 1812.

Searches can be done directly in those batches from here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyLancashire_%28P-Z%29.htm#PageTitle

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 17 May 2011 16:37

how about this one (do I remember a Rigby somewhere or was that another thread/)

Marriage: 1 Nov 1823 St Leonard the Less, Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
John Hayes alias Rigby - Husbandman of This Parish
Mary Counsell - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: William Hayes; John Valentine
Married by Banns by: James Barnes
Notes: [Groom signed John Hayes Rigby]
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1837, Page 75, Entry 223
Source: LDS Film 1526061