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gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 22:14

Thank you for advice.
I do have doubts on this because of ages.
A contact via genes, descendant from this family, has told me that this Percival 1850 named his son, Percival Langridge Williams born 1882. Obviously a family link somewhere, just not sure where and when.

Christina(Lancashire)

Christina(Lancashire) Report 12 May 2010 22:16

This is the same family in 1861....Georges age is now 69 giving a yob of 1792....which would fit.


1861 England Census
about George Williams
Name: George Williams
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:.....14 Spencer Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 148
Household Members: Name Age
George Williams 69 .....Surveyor
Ann Williams 54
Sophia Williams 12
Edith Williams 11
Porcwal Williams 11
Ann Fowler 64


gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 22:28

Thanks for this. Ann must be his 3rd wife, confirmed here with the children from Sophia. Had a note that he could have married for a 3rd time to an Ann Gabriel in 1857.
Definately my George, yet age differs from 1851 census, yet children right names and ages.
Hope all can understand why I have been so confused.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 22:33

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Williams Percival Langridge Hackney 1b 577

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 12 May 2010 22:38

1891 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Percival L
Address: 12, New Cross Road, St Paul Deptford
WILLIAMS, Percival Head Married M 41 1850 Electrical Engineer
Woolwich
Kent VIEW
WILLIAMS, Mary J Wife Married F 34 1857
Shoreditch
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence E Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percival L Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Hackney
London

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 12 May 2010 23:04

Many thanks to all for your help. I am begining to see the light at the end of the tunnel at last. My Williams/Smith branch was causing me nightmares. So many leads, so many wrong paths.
You have made it all seem so easy. Gill

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 00:19

looking at originals

marriage of george langridge williams (merchant) to caroline

groom fathers name george langridge smith merchant
brides father Samuel Smith gentleman
witnesses Matilda Smith
Sophia Smith
an unintelligible name marked with an asterisk and annotated Shuttleworth Bryant

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 00:27

george langridge williams widower builder Albany Street father John Williams deceased also a builder

sophia smith spinster south bank father samuel smith gentleman deceased

witnesses ? williams
Matilda Smith





LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 00:48

On the same page of the register

william williams minor batchelor surveyor soutuh bank father George langridge Williams builder

matilda smith full age spinster south bank father samuel smith deceased

Witnesse

James Pat???in
Gilly Johns?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 13:42

Please post census details as requested that you are sure abot so I can compare addresses etc.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 13:49

1881 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Percival
Address: 34, Myrtle Street, Hackney
WILLIAMS, Percival Head Married M 31 1850 Telegraph Engineer App Mkr
Woolwich
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Mary Jane Wife Married F 24 1857 Milliner
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW
WILLIAMS, Florence Eleanor Daughter Single F 2 1879
Hackney
Middlesex

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 13:50

1871 census - household transcription
Person: WILLIAMS, Percival
Address: King Square, St Luke
YEATES, Horatio Head M 37 1834 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Kate L Wife F 37 1834 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Jessie J Daughter F 6 1865 Ireland VIEW
YEATES, Horatio A Son M 5 1866 London VIEW
YEATES, Geo F Son M 0 1871 London VIEW
WILLIAMS, Percival Workman M 21 1850 Kent VIEW
BASSELL, Elizth Servant F 23 1848 Not Known

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 13 May 2010 14:01

Deaths Jun 1856 (>99%)
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Williams Sophia Greenwich 1d 319

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 19:44

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
BRYANT Shuttleworth St Pancras 1 328
Cannon Thomas St Pancras 1 328
Farquhar James St Pancras 1 328
Fendick Hannah St Pancras 1 328
Froy Sarah St Pancras 1 328
Martin Richard St Pancras 1 328
Stearne Mary Ann St Pancras 1 328
Strachan Ann S Pancras 1 328

marriage of the witness with unreadable signature to one of these.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 19:45

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
BRYANT Shuttleworth 88 Woolwich 1d 59[41]

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 19:50

1851 census - household transcription
Person: BRYANT, Shittleworth
Address: 8, Frederick Terrace, Newington, Surrey, Lambeth
DIDDEAR, Charles Head Married M 51 1800 Theatrical
Deal
Kent VIEW
DIDDEAR, Betty Wife Married F 38 1813
Clerkenwell
Middlesex VIEW
DIDDEAR, Louisa Daughter F 14 1837
Bloomsbury
Middlesex VIEW
BRYANT, Shittleworth Lodger Married M 55 1796 Secretary To The Devon
Newport
Essex VIEW
BRYANT, Mary Wife Married F 25 1826 Slater And Granite Comy
Melton
Suffolk

so married Mary Stearne

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 20:09

CAROLINE SMITH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 22 APR 1819

Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family
Mother: SARAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C013342

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 20:12

These 2 are in the same batch as children of Samuel and Sarah

1. MATILDA SMITH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

2. CAROLINE SMITH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 MAY 1819 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 15 May 2010 20:13

MATILDA SMITH Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 SEP 1817

Christening: 10 OCT 1817 Saint Mary Magdalen, Richmond, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL SMITH Family
Mother: SARAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C013342

gillypaul

gillypaul Report 16 May 2010 14:33

Hi Lady kiri,
Thanks for baptisms for Matilda and Caroline. Matilda is older than I had thought, in fact 11 years older than her husband. On 1851 census, which I know 100% is correct family, shows Matildas age as 25, which is where I got her birth year of 1826. Doubts keep creeping in, but all the paperwork seems to show she is the correct Matilda. It would mean there would have to be 2 George Landgridge Williams and 2 Smith families with father Samuel and daughters Matilda, Caroline and Sophia. Surely unlikely. So confused. I really hoped that I could find someone else with same sisters and father, and check spouses for them., to confirm same as mine.
Thanks again for help. I will keep checking here today for any responses. Yesterday was distracted by another possible link via messages.
Gill