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ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 12:45

Where did you get the witnesses from?Have you viewed the marriage records.Banns just give Batch.and Spinster.

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"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 12:52

Marriage Certificate - MX 701109

Parish Church Bethnal Green March 17th 1838

Elizabeth signed X with Her Mark

Witness's - Sarah Smith Her Mark & Robert Chambers

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 12:55

My bad ..again. She was witness at his 2nd marriage in 1838.
There were 3 children (sons) to his first marriage, and a questionable daughter born 'between' marriages.
No Sarah's though.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 12:57

Yes Ellen, that is correct for his first marriage.
I added the link to the thread that covers all of the information regarding Frederic- I don't want any of you wasting your time looking for previously found information, but thankyou for looking.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 12:57

Sorry ,you are confusing me now .Banns 1820.You have a marriage 1838 ?

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 12:58

Right Wendy

Ellen xx

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:00

Yes, Elizabeth Rigby died C1836.
He married Elizabeth Brees (Breeze) in 1838.
Fortunately his 2nd wife was a Dulieu descendant, so have been able to source some information from researchers on that large family.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:02

Who did he marry in 1838 ,can't be Elizabeth Rigby ,banns 1820

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:03

Your reading my mind now ,laugh.

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:10

I noticed it said Frederick leake Smith -base ,Publicly.
Could she have been told my church to add Father's surname as middle name.Have you searched for a male Leake born in the same parish as Susannah Smith.Have you found a Susannah Smith born in parish that fits your Susannah?

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:25

Of course!! LOL

County Norfolk
Place East Dereham
Church St Nicholas
RegisterNumber
DateOfBirth 01 Mar 1779
BaptismDate 04 Mar 1779
Forename Samuel
Sex M
FatherForename Samuel
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname LEAKE
MotherSurname
Abode
FatherOccupation
Notes
FileNumber 2027

There is only 1 Leake, East Dereham, in a suitable age bracket.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:28

From my notes...

?????? Susannah?
County Norfolk
Place Eaton
Church St Andrew
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 01 Jun 1807
Forename Susannah
County Norfolk
Place Mattishall Burgh
Church St Peter
RegisterNumber
BurialDate 02 Sep 1807


Forename Susannah
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITH
Age 29
Abode
Notes
FileNumber 667 Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname SMITH
Age 28 (would have been 26)
Abode
Notes Single Woman. Died May 31st
FileNumber 6580



Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:29

SUSANNA SMITH
Female
Birth: 01 JUN 1781

Christening: 04 JUN 1781 East Dereham, Norfolk, England
Parents:
Father: BARTHOLEMEW SMITH
Mother: MARY

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:29

As the professional Geneologist will tell you .you are allowed educated guesses. LOL

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:31

Ellen, I really think that the mysterious Sarah is the link.
And now with another 2 possible East Dereham Smith Base babes...a possible batch of little clues, just waiting to be put together..or disgarded..either way, important information.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:36

I would put them on my tree as educated guess ,the one's from her home town,and see if anyone contacts you.How else will people know you are searching.

Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:37

Sorry ,Must leave for now.

Ellen xx

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 13:42

LOL thankyou Ellen.
I have been told...too hard, not enough facts, and don't guess!.
But sometimes you have to delete what you find before the truth is found!
Thankfully I have 99.9% proof that Frederic (I can't help but write his name as he was baptised) is my GGGrandfather, thanks to a marriage certificate sighted my a Breeze/Dulieu researcher. He has been most helpful filling in many family ancestors, and data I didn't have.
I really do think it is too much of a coincidence that there are/were 3 base babies, all with the same mother's name, and 2 of them at the same parish.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 24 May 2010 13:49

Sarah Smith ,witness would not be the Sarah Smith c 1804,She would have been married by 1838.Nothing to say that said Sarah Smith ,witness ,was single.


Ellen

Researching:
"You don't have a Soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." C.S.Lewis

Wendy

Wendy Report 24 May 2010 14:00

Thankyou for your help Ellen.
Yes, I added Susannah and her parents and siblings in the hope someone will connect,and I have been asking around.
"IF" one of the Wiiliams was Frederic's brother, he may have married a Sarah..and that is how she is connected.
All very frustrating, but in a perverse genealogical way...fun too LOL.

Researching:
Fish - Essex, Middlesex. Taylor - Middlesex. Smith - Bethnal Green, Homerton, Hackney

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