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Hi Jim,

Looks like a possible birth for a child of your Grandparents;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1910 (99%)
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PEGG Thomas W P Gateshead 10a 1062


And sadly the death;


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Dec 1910 (97%)
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Pegg Thomas W P 0 Gateshead 10a 529



Dee x

Dee, you are AMAZING, I just don't know where you find it all you are a true expert at this,can I ask you another favour Please. My mother had 3 other children before us ,

Brian Noel Thornton Dob 25 th December 1937-39 approx died 18mths -2 years old
Alan Thornton Dob not known about 1940 aged 6 months maybe
Joyce Thornton still born we think

can you find any information on any of these please

Jim.

Hi Jim,

You are too kind, an expert...... ohh I wish, but it is only because I know where to look for the info. It is out there it's just the knowing where that you need.


Looks like Brians' birth;

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Brian N Thornton
Name: Brian N Thornton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pegg
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1939
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1214 (

And sadly his death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Brian N Thornton
Name: Brian N Thornton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1940
Age at death (estimated): 1
Registration district: Durham North Western
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 871




Alans birth;

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Alan Thornton
Name: Alan Thornton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pegg
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1941
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration county: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1749

I can't see a death at the mo but will look deeper later tonight.



And Joyces' birth;

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Joyce Thornton
Name: Joyce Thornton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pegg
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1942
Registration district: Nthmbld W
Registration county: Cumberland, Northumberland/Westmorland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 419 (

And her death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Joyce Thornton
Name: Joyce Thornton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1943
Age at death (estimated): 0
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 8
Quarter Jan/Feb/march


Now I think that if Joyce was still born she wouldn't be on the "normal" register, but she would have been put on the stillborn register...... so I would hazard a guess that little Joyce actually drew breathe for a short while at least.

Your poor mother to have lost 3 children, God bless.


Dee x

Alan's death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alan Thornton
Name: Alan Thornton
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 0
Registration district: Gateshead
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 1469
Quarter Apr/May/june


Have to pop out for a while, but will return later.


Dee x

Hi Jim,

I would hazard a guess that the last 4 days has been a whirl wind for you with all this info on trying to find your mothers birth parentage.... hopefully we have managed to do this for you, unfortunately we may never know the reason why she was given up, but if it was down to the fact of depression my heart would go out to her. It sounds like your Grandparents Pegg were her salvation and also your mothers.

Life is very mysterious and often things happen for a reason, my own Grandmother lost 2 children in the 1940's, then a couple of years later she had twins (my father and Uncle), she was not able to have more children after this...... I often think that this was almost a repayment for what was taken from her, and maybe your mother was "repayment" for your Grandmothers lost child?

Like I said mysterious ways.

Anyway Jim have a great birthday tomorrow and I'll have a drink for you too......... any excuse!!!


Dee x

Hi Dee, sorry my mistake,my sister has told me that i got it wrong and that joyce wasn't stillborn, you were correct in your assumption. One baby lived 3 weeks and one baby lived about 6 weeks she is not sure which was which.One died of a constriction in the gullet,and the other died of a bone disease.It must have been really hard back then before the N.H.S started.I thank you once again for your dedication and efforts, and this is more peices of the jigsaw past for my Family tree, and answers to questions in my life that I thought I would never Know about. I hope that all the other people who have things missing in their past lives, and leave Messages on this community board ,have the success that YOU ALL have given me,and I know as long as their are people like You, Janey,Victoria ,Ann, out there they will, through your's and their dedication and giving up your own time in helping other people.

Thanks Jim.

Well Dee, make it a large one as you have to keep those typing fingers well lubricated.

Jim

Hi All,just to say i've just ordered Hilda Park birth cert,and Hilda Pegg marriage cert from the GRO due 9th August can't wait to see what's on them.

Jim

Hi Jim

I havent contributed but have had this bookmarked and been following the events. Please do come back when you have the certs and let us know the outcome - these girls are good so I am sure you will have the right info!!

Happy Birthday!
Vanessa

Just read this thread, could not resist saying, well done to everyone for their expertise, after a sad start, a wonderful outcome & birthday present for Jim

Happy Birthday Jim.

I shall have a large one for you!!!!!

Dee xx

Happy birthday Jim, have just been able to log on as have had family duties today.

My they have been busy! Hope you will let us know the outcome of your certificates.

Annx

Hi All , just to say THANK YOU for all your kind wishes for today. It has been not only a wonderful day,but an Amazing last few days,with all the presents you have given me, in the finds of your searches in this thread.I will let you all know what I find out when I get those certificates. I will keep checking here every day , just in case someone finds anything else.

Regards to you all and once again MANY THANKS

Jim.

Hi Jim if it does turn out that your grandfather was the William Park who died 1918 in WW1 there is a photo of him on ancestry in the Durham roll of honour book. if the link i have posted doesn't work then PM me your email address and I will send to you. Worth a look anyway to se if there is any family resemblance!!

Photo of W Park
Gateshead, Durham, England, Roll of Honour, 1914-1920
about W Park
Name: W Park
Rank: Corporal
Unit: Durham Light Infantry
Volume: Volume 2, N-W

http://search.ancestry.com.au/iexec/?htx=View&r=5544&dbid=1641&iid=UKDURa002Mt-0068&fn=W&ln=Park&st=r&ssrc=&pid=2340

He received the Military medal gazetted 12/12/1917 - I have downloaded the record from National archives so can email that as well.

on ancestry medal record:-
William Park
Regiment or Corps: Durham Light Infantry, Durham Light Infantry
Regimental Number: 2793, 325262

any sign of the certificates yet???

Hello Vicci, I don't get them from the GRO until August the 5th, as soon as I get them I will post on here the Info. Have you had any luck with the adoption record of Hilda Park to Hilda Pegg yet. It would have been her birthday today.

Regards Jim.

HI Jim

adoptions in those days tended to be informal arrangements, so there may not be any record of it. I have found this site which gives some idea of where records maybe if they exist.
http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/search/adoptionrecords/

In regard to name chaging, there is no legal requirement to register a name change anywhere, you can use whatever name you like as long as there is no attempt to defraud.

Thanks Vicci.I will have a look at that site

Regards Jim

Hi Jim,

just a quick note to say we're all eagerly awaiting the arrival of your certificate... hopefully it will answer or confirm our theories.

Hopefully speak soon, Dee xx

Hi All, just to let you know that I received the marriage certificate on Thursday the 5th and it shows her fathers name as John Pegg, just as Janey said it would.No Birth certificate as yet ,hope it comes tomorrow Saturday 7th. Will let you know as soon as I get it

Regards Jim.