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hi every one i last used this thread to find his death(still looking) but cant find him on the 1901 census either can anyone help could he be in prison???

have been looking for mark thomas smiths death for a while got hannah his wifes death cert today she died 1922 on it it says widow. have just found him on the electoral roll in 1920 so i figured he must have died 1920/21 but i cant find him dying in birmingham were i thought hed be would some kind person please check the b m d and find what i cant thanks p.s he was born 1852

His DOB would be handy.

sorry michael i just added it

You know when you say 'just' found him on the 1920 ER...where have you got that info from please?

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www.midlandshistoricaldata.org brummiejan gave me the site

Is this him?

1891 England Census
about Mark Smith
Name: Mark Smith
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Friday Street
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England


Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mark Smith 38
Hannah Smith 38
Samuel Smith 12
Polly Smith 10
George Smith 8
Alma Smith 6/12

yes thats them

Sorry, no luck with his death in the UK and I cant see him on censuses after 1891

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ok thanks for checking for me

Zena

Is there anything else you know about Mark or his family?

One thing for sure Everyone dies!

x

i couldnt find him on the 1901 with hannah but dad always said he was a wanderer but i found him back with the family in 1911 sorry i dont know how to bring the census up like you do but i have him with hannah and george at 231 great russell street birmingham he s 58

this one

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Mark
Address: 231 Great Russell St Birmingham

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SMITH, Mark Head Married M 58 1853 Bricklayers Warwickshire Birmingham VIEW
SMITH, Hannah Wife Married
36 years F 58 1853 Warwickshire Coventry VIEW
SMITH, George Son Single M 28 1883 Stamper Warwickshire Birmingham VIEW

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i also have their marriage cert 16/12/1875 and possible his birth cert 14/9/1852

yes thats them

This is the nearest age-wise.
How reliable is the ER entry do you think ?

Deaths Dec 1916
Smith Mark - 61 - Birmingham 6d 222

Unless he didn't die in Birmingham...........

Did Hannah die before Oct 1922 ?

Deaths Dec 1922
Smith Mark - 69 - Walsall 6b 680

i know its not the 1916 because i have it it matches another mark that i found in the 1911 census 3 ellen street birmingham
hannah died 21/2/1922
i did find 2 possibles in the bmd and as he was abrick layers labourer in 1911 he could have been working away

nudge for new help please
zena

Could his death certificate not be in his full name e.g. could he be registered as Thomas Smith rather than Mark Thomas Smith. There is a tree on Ancestry which doesn't have much information about him but has his name (if it is the same man) as Mark Thomas Henry Smith. There is a death of a Thomas H. Smith registered in Aston in first quarter of 1920 with an age of 68, which would give a birth year of 1852. Just thought it might be another possibility.

Of course Smith is a terrible name to research - my grandmother was a Smith so I know what a nightmare it can be to find them.

thank you vera, i had thought about that, but dad always calls him mark. but now some one else thinks the same. i think i will give it a go. i will try the one you have pointed out first
wish me luck
best wishes and thanks
zena