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Sister of Carnation Lovell

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Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 16:02

I am trying to find the family of my late grandmother, her name was Carnation Jones nee Lovell.
On her death certificate is her sister's name Mrs S McCarthy. Carnation died in 1919, she had son's Thomas, John and my dad Arthur, Arthur was fostered out I believe due to his mother's bad health. I think his foster mother was a Mrs Taylor, who when widowed remarried and become Mrs Lowe.
I wish to find if there is any family from my nan's sister's side of the family.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Oct 2010 16:05

For info so we have the location

Carnation Jones
Death Registration Month/Year: 1919
Age at death (estimated): 33
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 529


AnnCardiff Report 2 Oct 2010 16:06

Christening: 20 NOV 1889 Wednesfield-Heath, , Stafford, England
Mother: MARIA


WayneTracey Report 2 Oct 2010 16:08

Carnations Marriage

Marriages Jun 1902
Cross Joseph Henry Cardiff 11a 582
Lovell Carnation Cardiff 11a 582
Roberts Sarah Mary Cardiff 11a 582
Shackleton George Harry Cardiff 11a 582

Are you sure she was a Jones??

....looking for another marriage...

T x


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Oct 2010 16:12

Possible for Mrs S McCarthy, sister?

Marriage ref
Susan Lovell
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's Surname: McCarthy - James P
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 694


WayneTracey Report 2 Oct 2010 16:13

Hmmm another possible marriage?

Marriages Jun 1925
>Carroll Carnation Jones Newport M 11a 580
>Carroll Nita Jones Newport M. 11a 580
Crook Marjorie Evans Newport M. 11a 580
Evans Wilfrid Crook Newport M 11a 580
>Jones David J Carroll Newport M. 11a 580

Tracey x


WayneTracey Report 2 Oct 2010 16:16

This is the brith we need.

Births Mar 1886 LOVELL Carnation Bridgend 11a 657

Tracey x


WayneTracey Report 2 Oct 2010 16:20

This looks like the family in 1891, and the transcriber couldn't read Carnations name?

1891 RG number: RG12 Piece: 4399 Folio: 130 Page: 45
Reg. District: Cardiff Sub District: Cardiff
Address: 30, Daisy Street, Canton, Cardiff County: Glamorganshire
LOVELL, Hanry Head Married M 35 1856 Cutler Cardiff Wales
LOVELL, Helen Wife Married F 25 1866 Cheltenham England
LOVELL, ? Daughter Single F 5 1886 Bridgend Wales
LOVELL, John Son Single M 3 1888 Cardiff Wales
LOVELL, Susan Daughter Single F 0 (5M) 1891 Cardiff Wales
GIBBS, Windser Boarder Married M 40 1851 Cadoxton Glamorganshire
GIBBS, Ann Boarder Married F 35 1856 Cefn Glamorganshire

Hahaha, and upon looking at the image looks like the enumerator couldn't spell it either and just wrote a long squiggle!!!

Tracey x

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Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 16:22

She married Joseph in 1912, on his death she remarried using the name Nation Lovell to Thomas Jones. She was born in 1886.
We also believe there was a son from the marriage to Joseph.
On her death we were told Joseph's parents took him away.


Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 16:24

Thanks Tracey


Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 16:33

Thank you all for you help, you have found much more in 10 minutes than I have found in the last 2 years


WayneTracey Report 2 Oct 2010 16:37


Do you need any info on your father's brother's?

Tracey x


Paul Report 2 Oct 2010 16:42

Hello Christina,

Child: CROSS, Joseph Henry,
S/O: Joseph Henry & Carnation Cross
Baptised: 04 OCT 1905
Occuation: HAULIER
Address: 6 Lyttleton St, Canton
*(Littleton Street, Canton, Cardiff)*

Births Dec 1905
Cross Joseph Henry Cardiff 11a 382


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Oct 2010 16:54

Children of Susan Lovell and James McCarthy?

James B McCarthy
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Lovell
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 785

Susan M McCarthy
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Lovell
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 794

David Mccarthy
Mother's Maiden Surname: Lovell
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1916
Registration district: Cardiff
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 665

(2 possible records deleted as the people may still be living)

Unless there are baptism records around, the only sure way to know if they are the correct family is to buy the birth certificates.

K and H could still be living. Once you have read this, I shall delete deleted


Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 17:30

Please Tracey, I could do with all the help I can get!


Christina Report 2 Oct 2010 17:39

Hi Det,
thank you, I will check these out, thanks for all your hard work


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Oct 2010 17:52

Actually, on freebmd there are 3 possible children born post 1920

Go to (You don't have to register and it's FREE!!)

Select Births
Surname mccarthy
mother's surname lovell
date Mar 1920 - Dec 1930
District Cardiff

Then search (bottom left button)

You could alter the years and search as you wish


Christina Report 11 Nov 2012 19:28

Thank you very much to you all who have helped me.



JohnDoe Report 13 Aug 2013 19:47

Hi, I got your post from google.
I am the great-great grandchild of Susan Lovell (born 1890) and James P McCarthy. They married 1912 in Cardiff. Is this a possible link with your family? They had about 6 children (still looking to see if they may had more) and one of them being Susan May McCarthy who is my great-grandmother.


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Aug 2013 20:13

HI Banana2

Not sure if Christine is still around.

In case she doesn't check the thread anymore, send her a message by clicking on her name. She'll be notified by GR if she still has the same email address.